Shheeit! I'm drowning!

Does he/she/it in the water give a shit?
Nothing on RYA site. This must be a wind-up!

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imagine if you get the pronoun wrong in a rescue
and your in the uk you go to prison.

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When the RYA wakes up further there’s more to ban. I see seamanship is already on their list.

Helmsman, seaman, man hole, man’o’war, scotchman, man aloft, human …

I applaud RYA’s inclusion of non-binary people to be protected from ancient terminology that everyone understands. Have you noticed there’s only two options for sex change surgery?

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No I haven’t check. Have you got any plans? :rofl:

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Vessels are feminine gender (she/her) in english, but masculine in many other languages - what next?

Buoys will be buoys - in IALA-A, at least.
For IALA-B, you can have gurls (& nuns), and a cardinal mark is mother superior.

There, fixed it!

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The language dates from a time when only males were stupid enough to go to sea.

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ā€œPerson holeā€ - priceless!

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Imagine all the artifacts and forms on all the vessel’s in the world, that use the very efficient and free-flowing ā€œMOBā€. You see it on a button, and you will recognize its function immediately. Can’t reach the GPS, but have landlubber close to it, you can yell ā€œHey, gran’ma, hit the m o b button, that’s the lil’ button that says ā€œMOBā€ on it !ā€. Odds are that granny will do it well. But, if we have to re-lable ā€˜em all . . . :upside_down_face: :head_shaking_horizontally: :head_shaking_horizontally: :head_shaking_horizontally:

Is that making it difficult for you?

Most people only see one option, do it or don’t do it.

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You mean a binary option for non-binary people? Radical!

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Many seafood restaurants identify the restrooms by BUOYS and GULLS.

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I saw an article not long ago about a man who had a baby. His wife impregnated him.:zany_face:

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I love how nearly every conversation/harrangue on this topic completely ignores the existence of intersex people. They’re pretty rare, but no more so than people with natural red hair. I don’t think I’ve heard anybody deny they exist any more than I hear people say the Earth is flat, but it still seems to be irrefutable evidence that we don’t have just ā€œtwo gendersā€ as if there’s black, there’s white, and the concept of gray is apostasy.

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You’re thinking of the ridiculous notion some lying scientifically illiterate quoted at 1.7%, which has been parroted by other people in posession of axes to grind. Clinically, variance between genetic and phenotypic gender is 0.018, which is itself a VERY broad definition of Intersex (and a quote I pulled from the NIH) that includes all clinical definitions but most importantly the far more rare nonlethal mutations where genetic determination is truly not possible. This is about 100x less than pop culture would have us believe, but then, they include all sex-linked mutations as intersex markers, which is probably news to people with genetic dwarfism, Turner’s syndrome and the like, to pump up their numbers.

As a ginger with the rare and to some, unsettling Daywalker mutation (the ability to tan) I feel we should be clear about these things. I’m pretty sure I’m not intersex, myself, but if I were, perhaps I could do as some have suggested and go ahead and F*&% myself.

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The question remains; would this rare variety of people be so offended by the universal term, ā€œMan overboardā€ as to advocate it’s elimination and replacement with a anodyne platitude rather than a familiar emergency call to immediate action?

I think not.

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Oz was the first country in the world to recognise that some people are not anatomically one or the other and hence put it on passports.
Did they need to change any laws governing what they call themselves or how they should be addressed NO

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You missed my point. Nothing to do with anything other than whether a minuscule group of people would be offended by a term for an emergency procedure which has been in uncontroversial use for centuries. Secondly, would they be so offended so as to force changes on the majority to appease their sensibilities … and what for?

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No, I got your point, clearly there was no need to change so there was no change.
Wokism today has a loud voice for a minority

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We have lots of trainee females sailing in my ship and have had the odd one with pronouns displayed on their name tags.

My position and the management’s is that traditional names are retained, eg helmsman, man overboard, etc. Nobody thinks twice about it.

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When they are dead the coroner in every country except oz will say male or female like their passport

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