While true, that is far from my point about the domestic American military-industrial-political scam and the cash cows grazing on the broken bodies of our youth.
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I agree, but just wanted to point out that the scam cost more than just broken bodied of American youths. In the countries where the wars are being waged it costs the lives of not only able bodies males, but both women, children and elders.
To save the Venezuelans by sending in the Marines, Amy, Navy and Air Force may not be the best way. Nor is starving them to death with sanctions that only hurts the masses, not the leaders and the rich. Bullying never solve anything.
Then the question is; what can be done?
I believe that negotiations on even footing is a better way. It appears that Maduro is willing to do so but the opposition is sceptical and feel they are getting the upper hand by mass protests. Assisting in starting a dialogue is where foreign countries can best help, not by starting a shooting war.
From W.P. today:
I was going to say I would be happy to see him do just about ANYTHING in Venezuela as long as he stays there.
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Absolutely correct. So our choice is to lower our standard of living down to the places where these goods are made or attempt to (at least) maintain our standard of living by imposing barriers and restrictions on pure capitalism. Capitalism operates in the best interests of business and shareholdersâŚelected officials SHOULD act in the best interests of the citizenryâŚOUR citizenry.
Of course with your standing as a globalist you donât agree and I get that. By the way, Iâm not sure youâve ever saidâŚdo you have any children and/or grandchildren? I only ask because this globalist mentality whereby the high end countries are dragged down to the mean for the sake of raising the low end countries up to the mean is going to directly affect themâŚ
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Nothing, Venezuela is not a U.S. problem, not worth one penny of U.S. ax funds and not one drop of U.S. blood.
The U.S. has tolerated and even supported much worse thugs
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I donât believe it is necessary to hold back the development of any country to maintain the standard in other countries. A better way is to allow such countries to develop so that the become a bigger market for the products and services that the rich countries has to offer.
Yes I have three grown sons (+ a dozen or so "God Children"of different nationalities) but no grand children. (Yet)
If fact two of our sons are/have been professional soldiers in the Norwegian Army. They have served in Bosnia, Lebanon, Kosovo and many tours of duty in Afghanistan.
Both are still in the Security business; the oldest is Security Manager for an NGO in South Sudan at the moment, while the youngest has just quit his position as an Instructor in the Army. He is joining an American owned company that supplies drones for many different armies (incl. US Army) as an Instructor, travelling worldwide to train soldiers in the use of their drones. (Nano UAVs which is developed and produced in Norway)
What do I want to see Trump do in Venezuela?
Nothing. Theyâre a self-correcting problem. That country will collapse all on its own.
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Things are already changing in Venezuela:
And if China feel safe their interests are secure and their loans honoured they may get behind the opposition leader as well:
they all ready do that!! (live in jungle with no internet)
Read the thread title.
Since âtheyâ already do that then maybe âtheyâ will find the Chunky Cheeto amusing when he floats gently down from the sky into the jungle, which is my answer to the question.
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There is no reason why the Venezuelan people should be saddled with Maduroâs and Chavezâs debts and deals with China and Russia. To hell with them.
The last thing needed in Venezuela is US or any other foreign military intervention.
The place is already at risk of civil war with the two sides facing off in street demonstration:
Add some US Marines blasting away and this could get a lot uglier.
Trying to force democracy on people has never worked in the past. To try the same again is bound destabilise the region, add a few more millions to the refugee crisis and cost the lives of some US troops and thousands of innocent civilians in Venezuela.
Yeah, but thatâs where the profits are.
Can anyone think of a single instance when the US pounded the war drums to âliberateâ a country that didnât have some resource that fattened the coffers of a major campaign contributor?
We have destroyed real democracies and shed barrels of blood in order to make sure those contributors maintained their profits.
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We only need one Erling Riiser to solve the problem. Maybe Norway can send him over.
Grenada. Panama.
Grenada: https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/155/25966.html
Panama: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/panama-declares-independence
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OK we can offer Erling Riiser if you bring Rambo to the party.
(Both are about equally fictional)
Grenada and Panama. Arenât those the last âwarsâ the USA âwonâ ? A trillion dollars a year being spent on offense and the USA hasnât won a war since WW II. This would lead an objective person to conclude winning isnât the goal, making money for contractors and rank for officers who eventually work for contractors seems to be the goal. However, the military lobbyists have done such a great job at PR that to even suggest we may be spending too much money on offense is traitorous.
Bring back the draft so all these zealots can properly serve their country or send their sons and daughter off to do so. No exemptions for bone spurs etc., you live in the USA you go in the military for a few years.
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I guess if some outside power wanted to do something theyâd try to stop Maduro enriching himself by trading oil, stealing the gold that is meant to back the currency, and possibly trafficking cocaine to pay debts, and curry favour. Its not so much a matter of what Iâd like to see them do as it is a matter of what they seem to be doing all ready. I love a clever plan with a minimum of violence.