Aw c’mon Buggs. . You’re better than that. Of course Iran is gonna claim “across Iran”. . . I guess you genuinely believe that schools & hospitals are on “THE TARGET LIST”.
And it wasn’t wrong to target the AA guns located next to hospitals & schools in Viet Nam. The guns were the target; proximity didn’t matter [especially to the service members getting shot at by those guns!!]. Any weapon firing on US assets were legitimate targets. Tell me Buggs, if you were taking incoming when you were on the Mekong, would you give a how it was neutralized?? You’d just want it GONE.
And Gaza? Open sources confirmed Hamas tunnels/operations under the hospitals. Again, legitimate military target. Hamas deliberately used them as cover - the same way they used the population as shields for their campaign.
The way you pull out of your , to deflect and conflate, always amazes me.
Buggs, I don’t recall you being so adamant when the Houthis were lobbing ordnance at shipping in the area, or at Israel. . .
And being played by persons that is NOT at risk of being killed or maimed by persons not at risk of being killed.?? WTF. The civilians in Gulf states getting hit with Iranian drones? I can assure you the Iranians who launched the attacks are getting their due! [that’s why Iran’s government needs to be wiped out. shooting at other non-combatant Arab states. Yes, a middle-finger salute to the regime.
Just wondering if you’re being “selective” in your outrage. . .
Your humility surprises me really . I have read the historical lecture of your interlocutor implying, that others spin history witholding critical background info , in an attack on those who dare to have a different opinion and accusing them of bias.
The effort to belittle the role of CIA , spells volumes about the honesty of the author. Iran has been a favourite piece of real estate of the anglo-saxons since oil has gained in importance .
But enough of this mumbo jumbo from me as an ignorant and i will leave the rest to the experts .
But before that i can not resist the urge to evaluate your interlocutor biased and dishonest historical regurgitations whitewashing the CIA role in 1953 coup.
Moving forward i have decided to do some of your future promised homework as I have nothing urgent to do. Trust it will be appreciated.
Having in mind the agony expressed so poignantly by the tribal gang of hostiles here i took care to be short not to tire their thumbs while scrolling. let elone letting them fall off.,
exhibit no. 3 is additional literature demonstrating amply that wolfs in sheeps skins are wolfs indeed and You will recognise them by their fruits .
Needless to say i have mentioned this already in some other threads but it seems it scares my targets worse then holly water scares the devil or the arguments contained there in are falling off like water from the ducks back.
And there are many others which i will skip for the sake of brevity . Also in your research one can have a look at video clips still available on utube . Made a short video brief of what I mean
4. exhibit no 4 mp4 material available on www
I am not done yet.
So what one can expect when plausible deniability has always been the name of the game and winning combo and now it is combined with attempts to rewrite the history and denying others their contribution in making it.
5.exhibit no 5 . POTUS speech on 80th universary of D-day
This speech was an outrage . Note how many times Germany/Germans are mentioned in this insult to D-day Veterans comparing their sacrifice with those who worship nazi ideology and display nazi symbols in their country with impunity and/or are controlled by nazi . Inviting such personality to this celebrations is an insult to survivirs of D-day and all those who fought on the other fronts.
This is rewriting history , this is bias , these are blatant lies .
So if a “world leader” is fine with this, what to expect from his subjects Dr Bugge.?
That’s because I solved it. I’m inordinately proud of my well-deserved award (my very first one) by the gcaptain aristocracy. Note the green tick against the title.
Yeah, I wondered about the ‘this topic has been solved’ myself.
Although I suppose it has, in the sense Heinlein meant when he said something about people who claim that violence is never the answer should ask the city fathers of Carthage about their opinion.
As for silly claims I was whitewashing the role of the CIA in Iran, I am in envy of my constructed strawman’s apparent resolve and confidence. I’m passing on what I have learned w/o having lived and been there, based on the writing and experience of those who were… and of course, the Gen X fascination w/ WWII history helps.
I pointed out (factually from what I can gather) that the CIA was not the progenitor of nor the primary actor in international interference in Iran, which is pretty well-documented if not well-publicized.
As for any question of my acting as an apologist, there’s a very good reason why Central/ South American states distrust the US, and that is mostly rooted in the actions of our CIA within their borders.
““ As for silly claims I was whitewashing the role of the CIA in Iran, I am in envy of my constructed strawman’s apparent resolve and confidence. ““
Noted.
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That said they need to experience the Carthage moment which is due.
No, not from VC. Shell paid protection money to ensure supplies of fuel reached the recipient. (USAF) More worried about triggerhappy US forces firing at anything that moved on the river.
Kembali!! I’m taking clues from the “Master of the art of deflection”:
There is reason why rockets are raining down on Gulf state with US bases. Can you guess why?
Rockets and bombs are raining down on Iranians as well. I guess you know who are behind that?
Maybe more to the point; why did they do it and why now?:
Where the dead schoolgirls in Minab guilty of anything, or just “collateral damages” that doesn’t matter?:
While we are at it, here is one more question; did anybody in the WH aware that Ayatollah Khamenei was not just the Supreme Leader in Iran, but also a revered leader for ALL Shia Muslims?
Killing him may have gained some joy to some Iranians, but it has also angered Shias all over the Muslim world.
Ahhhhhh so. What will be the color of this fleet then??
The fleet not insured by the magnificent 12 mostly based in London and Scandunavia due to the sanctions - meaning clubs refused to insure not THE CLIENT , such fleet was dubbed Dark fleet , shadow fleet, russian fleet, Iranian fleet, Venezuelan fleet. And the lie was spread they were not insured scaring the shit out of everybody.
As one can see from the article there are ways around the magnificent 12 who this time refuse as the risk is too high and not as per hegemon instructions.
Since Black, dark , shadow , whatever is already taken then my proposition is : THE ORANGE FLEET
And my proposition for the funnel logo is below. I think it is truly impressive
It was personal:
“I got him before he got me,” Trump said in an interview on Sunday night with ABC News. “I got him first.”
Source: https://wapo.st/4cYVhL3 (Gift article)
How many people are going to die because of personal animosity between to “leaders”?
No I’m not talking about how many of any one nationality, race or religion, but how many human being that had nothing to do with this will die and suffer because somebody try to stay out of jail, suffer from megalomania, or both.
Whatever problem has been/does exists between the 3 nations that is direct involved could and should have been solved at the negotiation table.
how it was neutralized?? You’d just want it GONE.
, to deflect and conflate, always amazes me.
