It sounds like you haven’t sailed on a workboat in recent days. They are a joke. Wipers think they are chiefs, cooks think they are the first officer because hey are having an affair with the captain.
The majority of the engineers are a joke. I did meet one female academy grad working the night watch. She didn’t know what a coupling was when I went over there to ask for parts. She handed me a union fitting and asked if that was a coupling. Anyone who goes to work there learns from whoever is there…which apparently in most cases is not much!
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This, in a nutshell is why you get so much shit here. A lot of people on this forum are ‘workboat’ people. You get off on generalizing the entire industry based on YOUR experience with it. You enjoy the attention and go out of your way to provoke it. So why anyone would sympathizing with you baffles me. If you ever reach maturity, I hope you learn that when you die if all they have to put on your tombstone was that you knew the correct nomenclature and boudreaux didn’t. That means you’ve lead a sad, sad life.
Worry about YOUR own bullshit. There is competency and incompetency everywhere. Now I’m going to take glaugs advice and ignore you. By the way, that can go both ways. You don’t have to start up again anytime your called out.
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[QUOTE=CaptChris878;175962] Worst I’ve seen is you are alittle long winded[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=osveng;175965]…was that you knew the correct nomenclature and boudreaux didn’t…[/QUOTE]
Boudreaux was a maine maritime academy grad. A bollard is the same thing as a cleat. Didn’t you know that?
Lol yea. Anyway, the point is I am no super cheng. I could probably run the engine room on a small boat like a yacht or osv, ship engineers are a whole different ball game and I disliked the way I saw one chief unlimited get treated with no provocation on his part. And the point is no one should be immune from the rules of any unethical behavior just because they are a “great” engineer or a “great” something, hawsepipe, academy, neighborhood they are from etc. It’s really a job that most people that pass the test and have at least some time under their belt can do. If not, the coast guard wouldn’t be handing out chief osv licenses with no tonnage or horsepower restrictions so readily.
[QUOTE=LI_Domer;175979]Yea but he was an engineer right? I know the difference as a mate but I figure most engineers don’t.[/QUOTE]
I guess my piney point education did something for me. They made us learn about those things. I also have a very nice drawing of a devil’s claw.
I am still trying to wrap my head around this tug boat terminology though. The captain on one vessel I was on said I should read this incident report and I didn’t know half of what the f@&% any of it meant.
Jewelry and pendants and diamond shackles. All kinds of crazy stuff.
[QUOTE=osveng;175965]This, in a nutshell is why you get so much shit here. A lot of people on this forum are ‘workboat’ people. You get off on generalizing the entire industry based on YOUR experience with it.[/QUOTE]
I’ve rarely (maybe never) met a tugboat engineer that was incompetent at anything other than maybe paperwork. Sometimes a new academy graduate would try and not be able to handle being the only engineer onboard.
I met a fair number of “engineers” on OSVs that didn’t deserve a license. They probably couldn’t even handle being a PIC on a tank barge and pumping cargo was their most important job. I had no faith in many of them to actually fix anything if it was necessary, and I hate feeling like that when I’m offshore. The most incompetent ones got run off the boat, but it was basically impossible for anyone to get fired (before this downturn) so they were dumped on another poor crew that hopefully wouldn’t complain to the office as much about their ineptness.
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[QUOTE=cajaya;175982]If not, the coast guard wouldn’t be handing out chief osv licenses with no tonnage or horsepower restrictions so readily.[/QUOTE]
Don’t put so much faith in the honesty of the US Congress. The oil patch companies bought themselves these bullshit licenses so their %@&@- officers won’t have to take a real test or be able to leave and go work on a real ship (or drill ship) so the company doesn’t need to pay as much.
[QUOTE=LI_Domer;175979]Yea but he was an engineer right? I know the difference as a mate but I figure most engineers don’t.[/QUOTE]
I take exception to that comment. . . . oh, wait. . . most. . . never mind. . .
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[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;176004]I’ve rarely (maybe never) met a tugboat engineer that was incompetent at anything other than maybe paperwork. Sometimes a new academy graduate would try and not be able to handle being the only engineer onboard.
I met a fair number of “engineers” on OSVs that didn’t deserve a license. They probably couldn’t even handle being a PIC on a tank barge and pumping cargo was their most important job. I had no faith in many of them to actually fix anything if it was necessary, and I hate feeling like that when I’m offshore. The most incompetent ones got run off the boat, but it was basically impossible for anyone to get fired (before this downturn) so they were dumped on another poor crew that hopefully wouldn’t complain to the office as much about their ineptness.
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Don’t put so much faith in the honesty of the US Congress. The oil patch companies bought themselves these bullshit licenses so their %@&@- officers won’t have to take a real test or be able to leave and go work on a real ship (or drill ship) so the company doesn’t need to pay as much.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. . . I learned SO FREAKING MUCH when I was the only engineer on board. . . also learned that a call to the office over the side band for any advice was useless, too; other than maybe as a respite from trying to over think a problem. . . also agreed about the oil patch licenses. . . back in my day, they were, I believe, “Oil and Mineral” licenses. . . I know that whenever I got one in my engine room on the ATB, I had to be very careful. Out of about 10 that worked for me, I guess 3 were reasonably competent. . . the others. . . . well. . .
Yeah this has gotten alittle silly. Semiautomatic is probably some poor bastard who got laid off and is looking to get a rise outta someone. One of those stirring shit pot, lick spoon kinda things. Humorous?? Meh…alittle but nothing to write home about. However the sharp pointy sticks that have come out at this person has been study break gold! Haha!!
man, you’re toast! better just get your shit outta her house before it all gets burned in a great funeral pyre
… And it’s too late, baby now, it’s too late,
Though we really did try to make it.
Somethin’ inside has died, and I can’t hide,
And I just can’t fake it, oh, no, no.…
Holy Cow how did I never see this thread before? Lively entertainment while I’m having my first cup of coffee this morning. https://youtu.be/W5FfJ89rGPc