You damn Kadets! Life sucks so much for y’all! How does it feel to be getting an education off my hard earned money?
[QUOTE=mudboatpirate;129324]You damn Kadets! Life sucks so much for y’all! How does it feel to be getting an education off my hard earned money?[/QUOTE]
Raise your children well and maybe some day they can get an education off your “hard earned money” [as if you are the only one that works hard] at an institution that train “Kadets” like those located at West Point, Annapolis or Colorado Springs or another university. All public schools and universities are the benefit of your hard earned money. I bet you even went to elementary school that was supported by your relatives’ hard earned money.
[QUOTE=mudboatpirate;129324]You damn Kadets! Life sucks so much for y’all! How does it feel to be getting an education off my hard earned money?[/QUOTE]
This thread isn’t about all maritime academy grads; it’s about those who skate on their obligation.
[QUOTE=+A465B;129280]Don’t forget usmmr program at state academies required cadets to apply for usnr commission. It didn’t mean one was offered to every grad. Apply in good faith and no commission granted, well then - obligation met. In full.
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How about ending on a reply with correct information? That is not the way it works.
Can you read at a MARAD level?
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129327]This thread isn’t about all maritime academy grads; it’s about those who skate on their obligation.[/QUOTE]
Yea cause counting keys and greasing sheaves on the SS Wright for 12 days is really fulfilling your obligation.
[QUOTE=Polaris;129553]Yea cause counting keys and greasing sheaves on the SS Wright for 12 days is really fulfilling your obligation.[/QUOTE]
No idea what you are talking about.
If that is USNR AT you are talking about, as dumb and as wasteful as it may be, it has nothing to do with MARAD obligation to sail FIRST as acceptable employment, unless you are going active duty.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129556]No idea what you are talking about.
If that is USNR AT you are talking about, as dumb and as wasteful as it may be, it has nothing to do with MARAD obligation to sail FIRST as acceptable employment, unless you are going active duty.[/QUOTE]
Dude you know what I’m talking about.
Part of your obligation was to do 5 years worth of ATs. How many people actually do it? You also know those ATs are mostly bogus and a waste of money. Going out to an ROS ship to drink beers and golf with buddies isn’t tax payer money well spent. Also having guys goto GMATs to take classes for AT was a rip off. There’s more to just sailing to fulfilling your obligation.
[QUOTE=Polaris;129557]Dude you know what I’m talking about.
Part of your obligation was to do 5 years worth of ATs. How many people actually do it? You also know those ATs are mostly bogus and a waste of money. Going out to an ROS ship to drink beers and golf with buddies isn’t tax payer money well spent. Also having guys goto GMATs to take classes for AT was a rip off. There’s more to just sailing to fulfilling your obligation.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on most of that, but that is the USNR’s decision. The MMR program for quite a while, up to late 90s, had a very poor track record of keeping tabs on its grads from all schools. Some of that was poor record keeping on their part, but a lot of it was grads not sending in their paperwork and not doing their ATs. Program director Furukawa actually sent out flyers that listed all the obligated grads from all schools whom they were unable to contact. They were asking for help trying to locate delinquent grads, by the hundreds. I got 2 or 3 of these letters after 1997. The list contained grads first an last name and what school they attended.
A lot of guys went to classes at places such as GMATS and others on MMR duty because they were not sailing. They had to take new STCW clssses and GMDSS in order to keep their licenses for the 6 yrs as required by MARAD. For those who went active duty, fine. Not for those who didn’t sail. MARADs uselessness in enforcing obligation is a bigger reason why they went to school on your dime via USNR as opposed to taking those classes at MITGAS, Easton, Star Center, or other places on their employer’s dime.
So much of this waste ultimately comes back to MARAD doing nothing about freeloaders in the system. Sorry, I meant to say pieces of shit in the system.
Pick up a phone and let somebody know how you feel. Your tax dollars support MARAD and the USNR /MMR /SSOP.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129565]I agree with you on most of that, but that is the USNR’s decision. The MMR program for quite a while, up to late 90s, had a very poor track record of keeping tabs on its grads from all schools. Some of that was poor record keeping on their part, but a lot of it was grads not sending in their paperwork and not doing their ATs. Program director Furukawa actually sent out flyers that listed all the obligated grads from all schools whom they were unable to contact. They were asking for help trying to locate delinquent grads, by the hundreds. I got 2 or 3 of these letters after 1997. The list contained grads first an last name and what school they attended.
A lot of guys went to classes at places such as GMATS and others on MMR duty because they were not sailing. They had to take new STCW clssses and GMDSS in order to keep their licenses for the 6 yrs as required by MARAD. For those who went active duty, fine. Not for those who didn’t sail. MARADs uselessness in enforcing obligation is a bigger reason why they went to school on your dime via USNR as opposed to taking those classes at MITGAS, Easton, Star Center, or other places on their employer’s dime.
So much of this waste ultimately comes back to MARAD doing nothing about freeloaders in the system.
Pick up a phone and let somebody know how you feel. Your tax dollars support MARAD and the USNR /MMR /SSOP.[/QUOTE]
Dude
I know how the program works and i remember when Kondracki put out feelers for where people were because they were not doing AT. I also remember when Furkawa put out letters. MARAD hasn’t changed.
By the way there were plenty of sailing guys taking classes at GMATS. Remember when everyone had to take BST, GMDSS, Tankerman and ARAPA. Everyone who graduated 96 and before had to take those classes. Luckily the CG recognized CAROF.
By the way Navy AT is a joke for the MMR officer. Its a huge waste of taxpayer money. There is no need to have it anymore.
My tax dollars support West Point, Annapolis and Air Force and we dump $400k for a kid to graduate from there then do 20 years in the military only to retire then either work for a defense contractor or the government pushing for more defense spending for another 30 years leeching off the average citizen. You should be more fired up about that.
[QUOTE=Polaris;129569]Dude
I know how the program works and i remember when Kondracki put out feelers for where people were because they were not doing AT. I also remember when Furkawa put out letters. MARAD hasn’t changed.
By the way there were plenty of sailing guys taking classes at GMATS. Remember when everyone had to take BST, GMDSS, Tankerman and ARAPA. Everyone who graduated 96 and before had to take those classes. Luckily the CG recognized CAROF.
By the way Navy AT is a joke for the MMR officer. Its a huge waste of taxpayer money. There is no need to have it anymore.
My tax dollars support West Point, Annapolis and Air Force and we dump $400k for a kid to graduate from there then do 20 years in the military only to retire then either work for a defense contractor or the government pushing for more defense spending for another 30 years leeching off the average citizen. You should be more fired up about that.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on mmr program. Waste of money. Eliminate.
As far as DOD academies go, I won’t begrudge their later in life careers after possibly 20yrs active duty.
They signed on the dotted line from day one to go active duty and there are hundreds if not thousands of USMA and USNA who died on front lines in the wars of 20th century way before their DOD obligation was met. And that doesn’t include KIA in Iraq /Afghanistan.
I made 65k as a third mate with MOC my first year working 6 mos. My life was never on the line like a $25-30k fresh 0-1.
Don’t compare us to them.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129576]I agree with you on mmr program. Waste of money. Eliminate.
As far as DOD academies go, I won’t begrudge their later in life careers after possibly 20yrs active duty.
They signed on the dotted line from day one to go active duty and there are hundreds if not thousands of USMA and USNA who died on front lines in the wars of 20th century way before their DOD obligation was met. And that doesn’t include KIA in Iraq /Afghanistan.
I made 65k as a third mate with MOC my first year working 6 mos. My life was never on the line like a $25-30k fresh 0-1.
Don’t compare us to them.[/QUOTE]
Don’t compare them? For every front line person there are 7 in support. There are thousands of DoD service academy grads that never go into harms way and collect a pension the turn that into government work or going to a contractor doing the same thing.
Don’t give my the harms way speech that makes them untouchable.
Nice try and it’s a straw man argument. Plus there are many Service academy grads that do 5 and dive. West Point graduates have the lowest retention rate for commissioning sources in the military. FYI in today’s bottomless pit of money for the DoD an 01 is doing better than 30k a year. Plus with the new GI bill there is no room to complain.
Why you thought I was saying an 0-1 makes 25-30k today is beyond me. See my 97 reference to Furukawa. Of course everyone is not harm’s way, but plenty are and they all
signed up to be placed there if need be.
I’m not bowing to them, I respect them and appreciate their service and sacrifice.
Honestly don’t understand what GI bill has to do with academy grad. Please explain.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129576]I agree with you on mmr program. Waste of money. Eliminate.
As far as DOD academies go, I won’t begrudge their later in life careers after possibly 20yrs active duty.
They signed on the dotted line from day one to go active duty and there are hundreds if not thousands of USMA and USNA who died on front lines in the wars of 20th century way before their DOD obligation was met. And that doesn’t include KIA in Iraq /Afghanistan.
I made 65k as a third mate with MOC my first year working 6 mos. My life was never on the line like a $25-30k fresh 0-1.
Don’t compare us to them.[/QUOTE]
By the way you can cut out your pious sanctimonious BS, it didn’t work and school and it still doesn’t work now.
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[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129592]Why you thought I was saying an 0-1 makes 25-30k is beyond me. See my 97 reference to Furukawa. Of course everyone is not harm’s way, but plenty are and they all
signed up to be placed there if need be.
I’m not bowing to them, I respect them and appreciate their service and sacrifice.[/QUOTE]
Why I thought you said an 01 makes 25-30k a year? Because you did "My life was never on the line like a $25-30k fresh 0-1"
WTF
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129592]Why you thought I was saying an 0-1 makes 25-30k today is beyond me. See my 97 reference to Furukawa. Of course everyone is not harm’s way, but plenty are and they all
signed up to be placed there if need be.
I’m not bowing to them, I respect them and appreciate their service and sacrifice.
Honestly don’t understand what GI bill has to do with academy grad. Please explain.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that West Pointers, Annapolis grads and Air Force grads all get the GI Bill, and it’s the new and improved GI Bill Up to 100% of tuition and fee costs, depending on length of service
A monthly housing allowance*
A books and supplies stipend*
College fund (or “kicker” payment), depending on rate of pursuit
Rural benefit payment, depending on residence
So in addition to a 400k undergrad degree, the now get 100% towards a graduate degree and monthly housing allowance and their former rank. It’s a real scam.
[QUOTE=Polaris;129593]By the way you can cut our your pious sanctimonious BS, it didn’t work and school and it still doesn’t work now.- - - Updated - - -Why I thought you said an 01 makes 25-30k a year? Because you did "My life was never on the line like a $25-30k fresh 0-1"WTF[/QUOTE]Read all the posts. Can’t do all the work for you. Replying with partial quotes loses context in this situation. Not really fair play.Is asking guys and gals who made a commitment to MARAD and MMR to follow through is sanctimonious then does compliance make them saints?
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[QUOTE=Polaris;129594]You do realize that West Pointers, Annapolis grads and Air Force grads all get the GI Bill, and it’s the new and improved GI Bill Up to 100% of tuition and fee costs, depending on length of serviceA monthly housing allowanceA books and supplies stipendCollege fund (or “kicker” payment), depending on rate of pursuitRural benefit payment, depending on residenceSo in addition to a 400k undergrad degree, the now get 100% towards a graduate degree and monthly housing allowance and their former rank. It’s a real scam.[/QUOTE]Of course I did not realize it, that’s why I directly and politely asked you to pls explain.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129600]Read all the posts. Can’t do all the work for you. Replying with partial quotes loses context in this situation. Not really fair play.Is asking guys and gals who made a commitment to MARAD and MMR to follow through is sanctimonious then does compliance make them saints?[/QUOTE]
Read all your posts, but nice try. That’s what you posted. Didn’t lose any context there.
Harping on it like a kid with a skinned knee is sanctimonious. Please remind everyone what you did for your 5 years of AT?
[QUOTE=Polaris;129601]Read all your posts, but nice try. That’s what you posted. Didn’t lose any context there. Harping on it like a kid with a skinned knee is sanctimonious. Please remind everyone what you did for your 5 years of AT?[/QUOTE]Sorry, but you replied just before I had time to edit the “why you thought” part.Didn’t say program wasn’t a joke, but I did what I was supposed to. Program was IMO very lost back then.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129605]Sorry, but you replied just before I had time to edit the “why you thought” part.Didn’t say program wasn’t a joke, but I did what I was supposed to. Program was IMO very lost back then.[/QUOTE]
Again please regale us what you did during your 5 years worth of ATs, and please don’t remind me what the program was like “back” then, I’m all too familiar with it.
[QUOTE=Polaris;129606]Again please regale us what you did during your 5 years worth of ATs, and please don’t remind me what the program was like “back” then, I’m all too familiar with it.[/QUOTE]Are you kondracki?
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;129609]Are you kondracki?[/QUOTE]
No and I personally don’t like him. However nice deflection on answering a simple question. By the way Mick never went to sea.