Lots of brand new KP kids working illegally at my previous drilling employer.
And now I find myself working alongside a USNR/MMR Maine grad from the 90s who never went to sea in any capacity or even worked in the marine or transportation industry for the first 7 yrs or so after graduation.
You guys do the best you can holding your own money takers accountable and I’ll do the same regarding mine.
There is no escaping these thieves.
They are from every school.
Johnny!!! I hea’s you got sum free money!!! Can I has sum moneyyy!
Yeah man, if they’d just get rid of that Jones Act bullshit the drilling companies could hire foreigners and it wouldn’t even be a problem anymore.
There are plenty of unlimited ticket mates and enginers who can now work wherever they want, or always have been able to that will gladly fill those jobs.
the jones act has absolutlely nothing to do with maritime academy obligations.
You want to expand on that? How are they working there illegally?
[QUOTE=LI_Domer;128891]Johnny!!! I hea’s you got sumhe’dee money!!! Can I has sum moneyyy![/QUOTE]
Sure, just ask the thief I’m working with. I’m sure he’ll gladly give you the scholarship money he stole in the 90s. I’ll go wake him up. Be right back.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;128889]Lots of brand new KP kids working illegally at my previous drilling employer.
And now I find myself working alongside a USNR/MMR Maine grad from the 90s who never went to sea in any capacity or even worked in the marine or transportation industry for the first 7 yrs or so after graduation.
You guys do the best you can holding your own money takers accountable …[/QUOTE]
Not going to happen on my watch. My job is safe and efficient operation of the vessel. Everything else is bullshit.
[QUOTE=New3M;128894]You want to expand on that? How are they working there illegally?[/QUOTE]
They are not getting approval from MARAD prior. Those obligations are in black and white. I have posted link before on thread about whether kp should be shut down or not. Pasted link for kp and ssop service obligation pamphlet. Page 13 of that thread.
I can’t type well enough on a tablet to really explain, but the bottom line is the pamphlet. It hasnt really changed in decades.
once you read it, call Szabalta at 202 366 1719 and ask him why MARAD is doing nothing. Ask him why foreign flag drillers are recruiting on kp campus as well as hiring SSOP recipients.
[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;128896]Not going to happen on my watch. My job is safe and efficient operation of the vessel. Everything else is bullshit.[/QUOTE]
So is all theft of tax dollars bullshit?
So John, have you met all/every Maritime Academy person, ever.
I went to a state academy and got zilch, zero dollars. Remember , at the State acads, you pay your way with no tax dollar help. I worked during school and the summers in the GOM to pay my way. Please dont generalize.
[QUOTE=Doodlebug;128899]So John, have you met all/every Maritime Academy person, ever.
I went to a state academy and got zilch, zero dollars. Remember , at the State acads, you pay your way with no tax dollar help. I worked during school and the summers in the GOM to pay my way. Please dont generalize.[/QUOTE]
And that is exactly the point. Don’t generalize about kp wasting tax dollars. I’m clearly not saying you did, but it is an often tread, generalized complaint of kp.
however, if you are unaware of the ssop (formerly usnr/mmr) existence at ALL maritime academies then you need to go back to the admissions office. See page 14 of shutting down kp thread.
that tax dollar funded program has been around a lot longer than me. I have sailed with many grads from multiple institutions that got out in the early 80s who took the money. Back then you could even take it for the first 2 yrs before you were obligated to marard and usnr/mmr. They gladly dropped out of the program before year 3.
looks like you missed the boat on a ‘free’ 8k per yr.
"looks like you missed the boat on a ‘free’ 8k per yr. "
It is not free and I wanted no part of a Reserve commitment after I graduated. I left school free of entanglements and didn’t want the 8k,
" however, if you are unaware of the ssop (formerly usnr/mmr) existence at ALL maritime academies then you need to go back to the admissions office. See page 14 of shutting down kp thread."
I knew all about it, I wanted no, zero part of it. I wanted no obligation to anyone at graduation.
[QUOTE=lm1883;128904]Graduating from a state school with a commission in the USNR/MMR in no way obligates you to sail. It means you have a commitment to the US Navy Reserve. A lot of guys have welched on that agreement and if the Navy cared enough about it, they would remedy the problem. If you do nothing with the USNR, then you get nothing. For years the Navy made it extraordinarily difficult for sailing members to comply. Thus, a lot of mariners said “fuck it”.
The annual SIP payment in the 90s was 3k a year. The balance of your tuition had to to funded from another source. I had to take out loans and still work to make that graduating possible. USNR helped a lot, but it was far from a full scholarship.[/QUOTE]
You must be talking about a different program. Read the pamphlet.
[QUOTE=Doodlebug;128905]"looks like you missed the boat on a ‘free’ 8k per yr. "
It is not free and I wanted no part of a Reserve commitment after I graduated. I left school free of entanglements and didn’t want the 8k,
" however, if you are unaware of the ssop (formerly usnr/mmr) existence at ALL maritime academies then you need to go back to the admissions office. See page 14 of shutting down kp thread."
I knew all about it, I wanted no, zero part of it. I wanted no obligation to anyone at graduation.[/QUOTE]
Of course it’s not free money, that was the point of the quotes. If you don’t want me to generalize, then don’t suggest that state school school kids don’t take any tax dollars to get by. Clearly not all, but many have been for decades.
[QUOTE=lm1883;128904]Graduating from a state school with a commission in the USNR/MMR in no way obligates you to sail. It means you have a commitment to the US Navy Reserve. A lot of guys have welched on that agreement and if the Navy cared enough about it, they would remedy the problem. If you do nothing with the USNR, then you get nothing. For years the Navy made it extraordinarily difficult for sailing members to comply. Thus, a lot of mariners said “fuck it”.
The annual SIP payment in the 90s was 3k a year. The balance of your tuition had to to funded from another source. I had to take out loans and still work to make that graduating possible. USNR helped a lot, but it was far from a full scholarship.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it certainly is not a full ride. I never claimed it was. Today’s 8k annual is still nowhere near a full ride. if it were 15 or 20k annual, i would imagine kids would be fighting each other at the admissions office.
“Of course it’s not free money, that was the point of the quotes. If you don’t want me to generalize, then don’t suggest that state school school kids don’t take any tax dollars to get by. Clearly not all, but many have been for decades.”
true, some do.
completely remaining on the sidelines of this barroom brawl
anyone got popcorn?
There’s rotten apples in any basket. The fact is they stink and they’re easy to spot so that makes them not really a big deal at all. If anyone is that worked up about all this they should run for congress. If not, then don’t worry about. Problem solved.
What does this mean?
You guys do the best you can holding your own money takers accountable and I’ll do the same regarding mine.
Are you proposing that if someone doesn’t agree with the way a shipmate paid for their education they should take some action? How do you suggest that “money takers” be held accountable?
[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;128916]What does this mean?
Are you proposing that if someone doesn’t agree with the way a shipmate paid for their education they should take some action? How do you suggest that “money takers” be held accountable?[/QUOTE]
You said the rest was bullshit. Sounded like you don’t care. Taking the money and not complying is theft.
What can you do? Szabalta is only a phone call away.
I don’t care how they paid for it, unless they are Kp or ssop. Those 2 groups have employment obligations. Kp and ssop need only worry about being held accountable when they are in violation of their contract.
[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;128916]What does this mean?
Are you proposing that if someone doesn’t agree with the way a shipmate paid for their education they should take some action? How do you suggest that “money takers” be held accountable?[/QUOTE]
You said the rest was bullshit. Sounded like you don’t care. Taking the money and not complying is theft.
What can you do? Szabalta is only a phone call away.