It is worse than that. Prices aren’t going down anymore than they were already going to. But with tariffs…watch out and make an extra withdrawal from the ATM. You’ll need it.
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I know what you are getting at, you’re right & I don’t care. I voted for the guy & probably do it again if he runs. Like his chief political advisor said, 'It the economy stupid." I don’t care about all the rape allegations, the women he paid off, lying under oath or getting his knob polished by nearly underaged interns in the Oval Office. I thought Bill Clinton did a good job. There, I said it!
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I don’t think she was nearly underage, but at least he gave it a shot.
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Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in “what about …?”) is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense against the original accusation.
At the time, being a couple of years older than her I didn’t think so either. But now that I’m older, have kids talking about internships & have a better understanding of power dynamics, I feel different. What I’ve read from her, she now feels she was victimized & taken advantage of. Mrs Clinton still blames her even though she’d have someone Vince Foster’ed if they did that to her daughter when she was that age.
Oh, I get it. You where using ethics & principles to hold voters you disagree with accountable, NOT using ethics & principles for ethics & principles sake. Kind of just using ethics & principles as a political weapon, not as an idealogy. So just forget what I said originally then. In that case, I don’t like Mr Clinton, his enabling wife or whoever you were originally referring to.
Whateverism - a pejorative strategy of ignoring the person who wants to argue the point he wants, instead of the point at hand. Whatever
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I keep seeing the word “rape” tossed about very carelessly. Trump WAS NOT convicted of rape. The term “sexual assault” is the correct term. As for “whataboutism”, while I disagree with Trump’s treatment of women, I do not understand why “the left” hammers away at Trump but gives Clinton a free pass. Paula Jones cost Clinton $850,000. Then there is the long list of “bimbo eruptions” he was famous for. In the book “First Family Detail”, secret service agents make the claim Clinton hasn’t learned his lesson. They reported when Hilary went out the gate of their mansion, the 8 million mansion they bought when they were dead broke, a pretty blonde went in the gate shortly after. Or that Jill Biden’s first husband has said Jill and Joe were dating while Jill was still married. Nuff said.
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In July 2023, Judge Kaplan clarified that the jury had found that Trump had raped Carroll according to the common definition of the word. In August 2023, Kaplan dismissed a countersuit and wrote that Carroll’s accusation of “rape” is “substantially true”.
Hitler was probably a virgin. That didn’t make him a saint, did it?
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I detested Bill Clinton when he was in office. Too left wing for me.
But every president since has been worse.
The Bill Clinton of the 1990s would be considered a centrist, Today.
Maybe even right of center
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there is a lot of evidence that Clinton’s actions were instrumental in Bush’s election over Gore in 2000. Seems in 2000 America was concerned with values and character and when knowingly shown the lack of them in one party - voted for the other.
The “whatabout” argument on the various degree of imperfection in the, by definition, imperfect humans we elect president to excuse the litany of abhorrent acts of our president elect is near absurd. It is comparing your faucet to Niagara falls - saying both spill water.
But there I have been sucked into the “whatabout” argument - seems it works
Again, you started off your original comment referencing the “values you were raised on” & applying that to politicians. I gave you the benefit of the doubt & hoped that was the point you wanted to discuss. Since you only want to use your values, ethics & principles to hold voters (political party) you disagree with accountable then it’s not worth discussing. “Whatever” is correct, we can all agree on that.
Bill Clinton hasn’t been in politics for 24 years…
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I will so be stealing this. Boils it right down.
I dont think they were manipulated to a new dream, the Dems and the media pushed them away with too many lies not to mention lost jobs and business closing, tent cities etc that all can see whilst being told bindenomics is working.
At least you can see all the build back better construction…NOT…lol
Nobody wearing that hats
The majority voting for Trump shows how bad the DNC has become as clearly lots of people went from left to right
I think its more of these days you can find out what your politicians are doing
Everyone, the media, ignored Clintons lack of morals and his funding from China
Drug running in Mena etc
Congress agreed not to charge him at the end as not in the public interest.
why it happened
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I’m at sea & don’t want to squander my limited bandwidth watching really old white dudes on YouTube discussing an even older white dude who won the presidency. So here’s a very recent article by the same right of center historian Victor Davis Hanson that doesn’t eat up as much mb & bandwidth.
But going back to the topic of values, ethics & principles in politicians. Of all the horrible things Trump, Clinton, Bush & the Kennedys did, the worse was done by Harris & her Democrat handlers imo. The younger, patriotic, daily pledge of allegiance to the flag version of me would have never imagined a scenario where a candidate for POTUS would be appointed by 6 uber elites without a single primary vote of support. My wife & I voted in our open primary & we seen the Biden supporters, voters & volunteers. We know good people who donated & organized for Biden. We talk with them every morning & seen the Biden yard sign every time we opened our front door. For those select few political elitists to lie & deny Bidens mental decline for all that time then pull a switcheroo for their predetermined handpicked candidate after all the votes were counted & primaries were over goes against everything that the USA was started for. I could forgive them easier if they murdered someone for political reasons compared to having a bogus candidate appointed to the presidency. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green or Whig, I don’t care, I hope no party ever tries that shit again. Unethical, no values, no principles & unAmerican as it gets.
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This is another example of bias towards the voters who supposedly sacrificed their moral values to place Trump back in the White House. It’s also total bullshit. You didn’t support him and that’s fine. I accept it and move on. But you’re in the minority. What you don’t see is conservatives attacking those who didn’t support him. Not now and you didn’t see it back in 2016. Honestly? I could care less what anyone thinks. It would seem that many others feel the same. In 2016 Killary would have done anything she could have to profit from the office of POTUS and we dodged a bullet. Harris? She was never qualified to be VP and the next four years would have been the past four years multiplied by ten. Morality? You think that democrats are virtuous? Are you fucking kidding me? Your candidate did nothing but attack Trump and deflect when asked questions about her qualifications and policies. America spoke loud and clear that he is the better choice. You can accept it or not. For most of us, we’re where we think we should be.
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That’s funny. I saw him campaigning for Kamala not long ago.
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