Hormuz News - New Thread

And the stick is getting smaller.

For weeks now, NYT, WP, and AP reporters have been reporting that our high-tech missile stockpile is being severely depleted by playing whack-a-camel in Iran.

The administration’s spokesman said it was all fake news from mainstream media.

Now the president acknowledges the problem, and accuses the SecDef of hiding the fact from him!

And the SecDef blames an underling of his for not telling him!

Seems like the WH needs a subscription to the NYT. They might learn something. :rofl:

First post here, been reading the thread for a while.

Traffic first, since the last Kpler number posted here was 16 July. Kpler’s count via Reuters had 8 crossings on Tuesday and 2 on Wednesday, against 130 to 140 a day before the war.

The toll argument running through this thread already has an answer written into the policy wording, and it landed on 23 July without much noise. The Lloyd’s Market Association published a model clause for marine hull underwriters called the Strait of Hormuz Transit Fee Condition. Under it, insurers will not cover a transit fee, toll or other payment made to get a vessel through the strait, and where such a payment has been made, cover for that vessel ceases. Non-financial payments count too. The LMA developed it over sanctions and terrorism legislation in the US, UK or EU rather than over price. It is a model clause, so it bites where underwriters write it into the cover.

The fee itself finally has figures. Reuters reported today that Iran is seeking 5 to 7 percent of the price of cargoes from ships using the strait, Oman is discussing around 3 percent, and Washington wants no fees at all. Whoever ends up issuing that invoice, the owner who pays it can lose the cover for that voyage.

The premium is the price already being paid. Marcus Baker at Marsh told S&P Global Platts on 22 July that additional war-risk premiums had jumped to 7.5 to 10 percent of hull value, up from 1 to 3 percent a few weeks earlier and roughly a quarter of a percent before the war.

On the exchange upthread about who actually stops a ship: the LMA said on 23 March that reports of cover being cancelled or unaffordable were not accurate, and 88 percent of the Lloyd’s marine war market participants who responded to its survey still had appetite to underwrite international linked hull war risks. It put the reason ships were not moving on masters and owners assessing the risk to crew and vessel as too high.

Washington’s own fix stayed on the shelf. The DFC maritime reinsurance facility, up to $40 billion with Chubb leading, covers only vessels transiting under US naval escort, and on the last public account I can find, dated 17 May, it had written zero business. CENTCOM’s word for what it has done for more than 1,000 vessels over the past three months is “assisted”.

Underwriters will write it. Masters still have to sail it.

US forces strike container ship in Gulf of Oman off Pakistan

US navy confirms interdiction on container ship Vela Nova with the crew abandoning ship after being struck by missile

https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/security/ship-struck-in-gulf-of-oman-off-pakistan

Hormuz belongs to us !!! SAYS WHO?

Iran appears to not agree:

We can’t even keep foreign flags out of the gulf of America, but go on, yeah we will have control of Hormuz any day now.

The container ship Vela Nova has been struck by two US hellfire missiles, according to US Central Command [Reuters]

I have learnt from a famous master of logic how it works.

Below a photo from his lecture with world wide attendance

Vsl finder is spreading anti American propaganda and is full of russian, Chinese and ayatollah trolls.

Who the hell is lying here. Vesselfinder or sb else.

A U.S. Navy MH-60 helicopter fired two Hellfire missiles into the Vela Nova’s engine room after the ship’s civilian crew ignored repeated warnings from American forces. The ship is no longer transiting to Iran in violation of the U.S. blockade, which remains in full effect.

The methods and ways to disable the merchant ship described by local bandits in the other dedicated thread regarding desabling innocent merchant ships may serve as a clue who was the killer.

I suspect if this was who you accuse it of being, there would have been a barrage of warnings to stop the ship and then to evacuate the engine room.

An attack on the Omani side ie not using the Iranian (preferred) side combined with it being an unaltered attack has only one likely culprit.

And now a word from the Commander in Chief:

Q: was this transfer fm Air Force 1 to other craft in a catering box in the main news outlets?

The other sources are humming with excitement about this brave " fight , fight ,fight " act.

May be.

But killers get caught /identified more often by repeating the same method of killing then by the location of their crimes.

And be so kind to advise me how much warnings and friendly advise ppl from Hiroshima and Nagasaki got or fishermen off the coast of Venezuela?

Have I missed sth.?

Have planes bound for Cuba in screwed Bay of Pigs ops been sent fm US bases or had any markings indicating their ownership or origin.?

You surely as a military man heard the term : plausible deniability , what seems to be the modus operandi of nearly all US ops aimed at overthrowing unfriendly govs. or destabilizing acts world wide in the interest of national security .

And surely the authors of the article should not have problems to clearly indicate who did it by saying " vsl was hit by Iranians" .

What they offered insteadwas a pile of veiled innuendos .

Yep. For one thing my comments were specifically about operations in Hormuz. There it is US practice to order merchant ships to stop and possibly be boarded. If they don’t after many warnings they will be warned of being fired upon. An unprovoked and unalerted attack on a merchant ship by US forces would be egregious war crime.

They should say that if they know that. Did they? Or did they want to leave that unsaid in order to sneakily imply it was the Americans.

You many references to other theatres are unnecessary in this case. Whole books can be written about the tactics of any particular situation but my general understanding of current US doctrine is that it is strictly by the book which rules out the probability that they did this attack.

“”““Yep. For one thing my comments were specifically about operations in Hormuz.””“”

Well. One .may look at things with birds eye view , another with particular, claiming the devil is in the details .

Merging the two I think is not bad for the purpose of objectivity.

One can not discuss things or create opinions basis only one event without reference to others, like historical or from other threads.

No to go any further and with all due respect Sir and for the record here ,stay assured You are wasting your precious time and superb intellect trying to project USA as a benevolent hegemon doing all things by the book , where morales, righteousness , fairness or fair play are it’ s main and core chapters.

But surely it is a book where chapters are unknown and secret and are only revealed in past acts or actions , where past glories have been diluted and poisoned by ugly present.

Have a wonderful rest of your evening.

To answer your question the transfer of President Trump was an item of news in media world wide. He transferred back to the correct aircraft at Mildenhall in England.The cartoon showing Trump in a catering container is simply the very talented cartoonist license. I believe he was transferred in one of those scissor lift trucks.

I don’t follow your reference to Japan. My father was engaged in bombarding Japan after the bombs were dropped until they received the news of the surrender. They had no prior knowledge of the bombs.