Harvey Screws Newhires

Butt hurt? Please, I did work for ECO for a little while and was eventually fired, but I screwed up big time and I don’t hold any grudges against the company for my mistake. I could go on for paragraphs about how that was a blessing in disguise and the short of it is that sometimes you have to man up and take the long road around. What I did learn while there is that they are no better or worse then any body else. I could probably go back to them now, but the lack of even time from the get go puts them on the hell no list.

As for did ECO ever sale a boat with it’s crew sure did. Ever here of the subsidiary Delta Towing? Sold out to Crosby a few years ago.

For the most part I think the coordinators are lazy and view most of the boat crew and a burden. Instead of trying to work with the crews they dictate terms and because there is always a line out the door of people waiting to take your place why should they put up with any push back. Never felt like there was a push to cultivate talent and keep it. I can’t remember what they next guys up, the coordinators boss where called, but it always pissed me off to know end how the coordinators ran around afraid to tell that guy any bad news, hell any news really. Loved that any time the boat broke down you had to call the office and they would let the oil company know what was up, great when you’re sitting at the dock not able to go any where and you can’t tell the dispatcher why and have to wait an hour for it to get to him. But my personal favorite was when I was running one of the old triple screw crew boats and I had two mains go down while headed out. Called the man on call to tell him I’m turning around and to line a mechanic up. His response was “What do you mean you can’t make the run on one engine?” Thank god I never had to call and tell them I couldn’t run because of fog.

They also would put a boat on a job with 10 guys on it but only 8 bunks. If I have to share a room with some one else at the same time fine, but to have to start hot bunking? That’s bullshit, and I was not about to start sleeping on seats like I saw a few guys do.

Had a person fail a breathalyzer on the boat, anybody else pack your bags you’re fired, but do to this persons connections to the Alaskan Oil Agency they got a pass, and where back on the boat the next day.

Would run into a few guys after I was fired and they would tell me how because the times where slow the office was looking for anything to give them a reason to fire or at least punish you buy putting you on the beach for several weeks. One story I heard was a Captain got the blame for a crew members pay roll being messed up, but the crew member had been bouncing around the fleet going to a different boat every few days and the coordinator had lost one of the pay roll sheets or forgot to add the one day that the guy was one a boat. So he did what they all do over there, instead of manning up he passed it off to the boats.

At least HOS or Seacor has the balls to lay you off and pay the unemployment tax verses ECO firing guys for piddle shit so they don’t have to.

Enough proof that ECO pulls the same shit that every other boat company does?

What I’m tired of is the fact that ECO is held as the best that is out there when they are no better then anybody else. Glad you’re happy working with them, but I’m very pragmatic with a healthy dose of cynicism thrown in for good measure. Any company that goes around talking about how “We are all family” is full of shit, and ECO is the worst with it, but there are a ton over there that eat it up so why change what works.

Lets just call it what it is. I’m an employee I come to work, get paid, go home. They are an employer, they provide me work, they make money off of my work, give me a portion of that. We are both free exist this agreement as we see fit when either one of our goals no longer align.

You say you don’t worship at the Orange alter, then why did you start a thread bashing a company you don’t work for with claims that in the end don’t make any sense, and make claims that ECO would NEVER play those type of games with it’s employes. Did you even take a second to think about it before you came to GCaptain to spread the latest gossip around Fourchon? Why would Harvey work so hard to attract captains with DP then stick them on a tug just to have it sold off soon after? If it was in fact some AB’s, which is more believable, sometimes for the sale to happen the boats need to be fully crewed and an AB is easier to replace then an Officer. Also it’s not like they can’t ever go back to Harvey if that’s where they really want to work.

So Harvey sold half a dozen tugboats, and told a couple dozen ABs (which are a dime a dozen anyway) that they could go with the boats and keep their jobs if they wanted to, but that Harvey no longer had a job for them. So what !

I’m assuming the ABs will be getting a pay check with the new company?

just not at the company they chose to be employed with.

First…I did think about it…thus the reason for posting about it. I wanted it known what had happened rather than kept in the dark. Second, you state you gave me plenty of reasons that ECO is doing the same thing. Out of everyone of your examples I can honestly say that I have run into the same type situations. I on the other hand have never had to worry about making the decision to not run in the fog. Or crew up past COI. Every legal decision I have made has been upheld in my time with them. Coordinator issues, questionable people moving up the ladder…Yes. I can most certainly agree there but why add Apples to the Oranges? You got fired for screwing up. Many don’t. You are man enough to admit your wrong doing and I can respect that. Obviously I can only speak from my experience. It’s a long one at that. I believe I can make an honest, fair and accurate evaluation of where I am. Yes, I can say that I am happy. Yes, I would also agree that I am a pawn in the chess game and could easily be let go for whatever. But I truly do not feel as if I am right on the edge of that. Not for a very, very long time given the current state of the industry. A little more money certainly is not enough to make me head somewhere else where I feel like I would be even more of just a piece of meat for some arrogant asshole to play with.

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It’s funny how many of y’all say fuck it it was just some AB’s. Have y’all forgotten where many of us (you) have come from? What a bunch of dicks.

This thread is somewhat commical. I work shoreside, all the same stuff goes on in this industy shoreside.
Went thru a merger, heads cut off, another merger more bodies, The same stuff goes on. Shoreside /shipboard the same, as a “worker”, you get screwed. And, it can happen anytime. Please dont think it is only in the GOM.

[QUOTE=coldduck;129160]It’s funny how many of y’all say fuck it it was just some AB’s. Have y’all forgotten where many of us (you) have come from? What a bunch of dicks.[/QUOTE]

When I was an AB we were only a dime for several dozen, and usually only hired on an as needed basis and lucky to get 150 days a year. There were a lot of academy third mates sailing as AB. I worked for one company that would get new third mates to sail AB for 30 days for free just to get experience with the promise that if they were good they could get on a list to be hired for pay.

Guys with AB OSV , which requires very little experience , 120 , 12 hour days, were getting the fantastic salary of $300 a day plus benefits, but got greedy. They got $400 a day for awhile but had to do dangerous “rigging” work. now they are back at $300 at a much better company with no dangerous “rigging” work. Why is it that I am now supposed to hate Harvey over this?

I never said you had to hate Harvey.

I doubt Harvey has any AB’s with just enough time to get the OSV. I’ve never met any AB’s at Harvey without years of experience.

And you think that was right?
Just wanted to make sure that my reply was seen.

By the way they’re making over $400 a day.

[QUOTE=coldduck;129174]By the way they’re making over $400 a day.[/QUOTE]

Count your blessings and enjoy it while you can. That sounds far too good to last.

I have been hearing that for years now.

His name is Joel Broussard.

[QUOTE=CaptB;129221]His name is Joel Broussard.[/QUOTE]

I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

I worked for him for 11 years. Always treated me and everyone else with respect and helped more people than I can remember. Has always answered his cell when I called or called me back. I know things didn’t end the way I hoped with him selling out but I understand its a business. I’m sure he didn’t get where he is by not pissing people off along the way but for those that worked for him long enough to get to know him I think most would say he’s a pretty good guy. I appreciate everything he’s done for me and my family.

He’s never sent out an email saying “let me be fucking clear” or had a circle jerk so he could blow smoke up our asses either. That counts a lot to many of us.

[QUOTE=CaptB;129338]I worked for him for 11 years. Always treated me and everyone else with respect and helped more people than I can remember. Has always answered his cell when I called or called me back. I know things didn’t end the way I hoped with him selling out but I understand its a business. I’m sure he didn’t get where he is by not pissing people off along the way but for those that worked for him long enough to get to know him I think most would say he’s a pretty good guy. I appreciate everything he’s done for me and my family.[/QUOTE]

I don’t doubt he treated his employees fair but that doesn’t mean he isn’t an arrogant bastard. That’s the subject matter I was referring to.

I love how the job hoppers are crying the company screwed them. They screwed themselves. Every fucking company is the same… Every one. The grass is no greener on the other side, only difference might be where the piles of dog crap are.

Well think about it… Hire experienced guy’s? No Way, Gary trained his guys well so they will return to the food bowl. No the Gravy Train they expected.