[QUOTE=Number360;154535]Then I applaud you. Most liberals just bitch about everyone not giving enough, and are the stingiest of all. But I still don’t believe luck is to blame for my success in life. Everyone is lucky just to be born no matter if it is to royalty or into poverty. It’s what do that with that luck that defines who you are. This America you speak of may not be perfect but more people have been able to rise out of poverty through hard work in a single lifetime than anywhere else in the world. I can’t stand it when people say how greedy America is. Americans give more money, doctors, time, and education to other countries than anyone else. But in return we get demonized all around the world and sadly by some of our own.[/QUOTE]
“Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan Press On! has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” - Calvin Coolidge
Luck has a lot to do with it, but to a large extent the aphorism “you make your own luck” is true.
There are millions of employees who have never made more than minimum wage. For millions, minimum wage work is their career.
If McDonalds and Walmart had to pay $15 they would have to raise prices a little bit to cover that. However, as a consumer you would have more money in your pocket because tens of millions fewer people would be on taxpayer provided welfare programs that now make up the difference between minimum wage and a living wage. In other words, we consuming taxpayer are going to end up paying for it one way or the other.
Today, there is very little incentive for tens of millions to work. They are better off on welfare.
Better for us to pay a little more for a Big Mac, than to pay higher taxes for more welfare programs.
I believe the reason why most Americans currently don’t believe in unification is that we have to all agree on something. The average American wants to do his or her own thing. That’s the oilfield mentality. Yet I notice how these individuals working at the big companies all have to abide by very particular rules which you don’t get to vote on or have a say in. This looks good till the great slowdowns occur and then new unanswered questions regarding seniority, longevity, bonuses, benefits, vessel placement and all the multitude of other questions that crosses a persons mind that now has to look at finding a job after trying so hard to get hired on with one of these fine companies.Now that sounds like a very bad contract negotiation from my experiences. Even this "short service employee " program is exclusively for the oilfield operations of the GOM. With less than half of our great country voting in the general election and even less in local elections how can you expect USMM to jump on the union bandwagon. Voting is key and its a hard earned privilege that many don’t have. That’s why I respect unions and the active members. Yes the downfall of unions fall solely on its members not actively participating in the daily management of their union. Remember in a union the leaders work for you not vice versa. The officers need to lead and show the crew how a well oiled machine should operated.
As a professional mariner I have been to over a dozen different countries, but have never even heard of this [I]A’murca[/I] you refer to. It sounds like a confusing place. First of all you need an education from a University to be intelligent (is there no tests for intelligence quotient in [I]A’murca[/I] that you can only discern intelligence by ability to pay tuition?) Then after obtaining a degree from an institution of higher learning, your career is dictated purely by luck (as your life, I am sure, is dictated by karma). Then millions of the unlucky, uneducated workers are stuck in dead end minimum wage jobs for their entire careers and need their government to mandate how much money that job should pay. What does sound great about this [I]A’murca[/I] is that if a bunch of people get off of welfare then the citizenry will see a corresponding reduction on their tax bill. That would never happen in the country I live in.
Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend that a man succeeds or fails on his own merit (Paris Hilton not withstanding)? An analogy was made earlier about a high school graduate earning an Unlimited Masters license. I will emphasize [B]earning[/B]. That guy could have stayed a career A/B and saved himself a lot of money and headache by not going to additional schools or studying for and passing incrementally more difficult tests. He became an UL Master through his own hard work and sacrifice. There was no need for a college degree, and there was certainly no luck involved. If the guy at MacDonald wants to make more than $8/hr then he needs to do more than show up for work in the morning and go home in the evening. There are plenty of trade/skilled entry level jobs out there that will give him the opportunity to learn that trade/skill and advance himself up a career ladder.
I will end this with a bit of a question. What in the hell does family life at home as a child have to do with a grown mans career potential? So mom was a meth-head on welfare and no one knows who dad is? OK. And…? I have never been to a job interview where the interviewer asked my if I knew who my father was and was my mom on crack. After you turn 18 and leave the nest (however f-ed up that nest might be), you are your own man and must take responsibility for everything after that.
[QUOTE=c.captain;154536]I think I am going to be only a spectator more often…now, this is entertainment!
I had no idea how much fun just watching can be![/QUOTE]
You are not kidding there C. Capt.
You have know clue how many times I have had fun, laughed at the screen and blew coffee out of my nose watching you make an arse out of yourself with your hatred towards a section of the country and group of people.
I’ll have to admit, you have brought up a few interesting articles and subjects also. I have both learned and been entertained from your posts.
[QUOTE=RespectMyAuthority;154510]Yes, it is asinine statement from me. Just because you don’t agree with it makes it asinine. Yes people can make it in this world without education. Education makes the path easier. Education gives people more options to control their outcome and not to have to suck up to Joe Boss. Your example of an Unlimited Master is a bit asinine, I guess training doesn’t count as education in your world?
It is not only Fox News but all media outlets have a product to sell. The suckers buy it by the ton. It is just Fox News that is anti-union. For example, I once saw the AMO president on Fox & friends. The story was trying to show American sailors in a positive light with regards to our training. Not once in the story did it mention that AMO was a union. They continually referred to AMO as an “Organization”. I assume it is forbidden to say "union’ in any positive light on Fox News.
Lastly unions serve a purpose in all the places you think they aren’t needed. It gives those people a right to collectively bargain for wages and working conditions. Joe Boss doesn’t like people to be able to collectively bargain. He would rather set those conditions on his terms with no input from anyone else.[/QUOTE]
I have never been in a union, and have heard all the pros/cons, and have probably learned more about it on this thread. This is my take. Detroit has been a bust bcuz of the unions coupled with the far- left agenda. California has been in the “red” for years and probably will NEVER get in the "black, due to the unions and their extreme far-left policies.
How do we fix it. Use Scott Walker’s formula in Wisconsin. By the way, this is not a “left” or “right” issue, its a “right” or “wrong” issue. He put forth his fiscally conservative bill to reduce the waste, and take on the unions so Wisconsin did not turn into a Detroit. The left tried to throw him out of the office on a recall election bcuz of his fiscally conservative bill. In 2014 the state had almost a billion dollar surplus. With that surplus he able to cut income taxes, cut property taxes, and over 300 million to tech schools. The unemployment rate fell from around 10% to less than 6%. This is the blueprint to budgetary solvency, economic prosperity, and employment opportunity. If only the current administration and Congress would embrace these policies, we could get this great nation back on the course to prosperity. Will they??? This success story in Wisconsin gained very little traction with the MSM…including Fox News. This should have been all over the front page of every newspaper/news show throughout the country. Why not??? It is the fundamental transformation of this country people. ALL OF YOUR CONGRESS is participating in this, with the exception of a few. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! Its not the coffee pot burning, the whole damn house is on fire.
[QUOTE=skip jiblet;154565]I have never been in a union, and have heard all the pros/cons, and have probably learned more about it on this thread. This is my take. Detroit has been a bust bcuz of the unions coupled with the far- left agenda.[/QUOTE]
You really ought to stop gulping the Kool-Aid and take a breath.
This nation was at its economic peak when union membership was highest. Before Joe Boss and his bankers and lapdog politicians figured out that they could renege on the promises they made to their employees and make more cash by selling America overseas rather than selling American products we had a concept called a “living wage” which supported a family, bought a house, a car, and food. It allowed the worker to participate in the economy. Even Henry Ford realized his market included his employees.
Your post is a poster child for the brainwashed generation who are willing to subsidize their own slide into slavery. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
[QUOTE=kfj;154570]Oh look another typical gcaptain thread that goes down hill about some topic that has been covered a million times. Yay gcaptain![/QUOTE]
Look if you want to join a union, go join one. I hear they have great pay, benefits, and retirements. No one is stopping you by not joining. Matter of fact people not joining should mean all the more jobs for you to choose from. I get it your a proud Union mouthpiece, but we don’t care how northern unions think we should run our businesses down here. Like I have said before, if you don’t like how the south operates you’re not required to stay. I mean I don’t walk into a strangers house and start telling him how he should operate his household. Unless I want to get punched in the face. So here is a kapow to you. Right in the kisser.
[QUOTE=Number360;154573]I get it your a proud Union mouthpiece, but we don’t care how northern unions think we should run our businesses down here. [/QUOTE]
not planning to get into the fight but can’t let a good opportunity pass by to land a blow for the North
I realize now why y’all in the South hate unions so much now…it’s because we were the UNION!
I just love to say that you lost your stoopid war but can’t accept that fact even 150 years after it ended with your defeat…You hate everything that has to do with the North even though it would be for your benefit. What rubes, what poltroons, what imbezzels, what ultramaroons y’all are! Everything I’ve stated on this subject of the South and southerners in the past here is all so gloriously proven now with your one post. The battle still rages on and and on and on… you think you can win it this time and you thought you were until suddenly the price of oil in the world collapses. It is just like the idea that King Cotton would win the Civil War for the Confederacy…didn’t work then and ain’t gonna work now! BwahahaHA!
[QUOTE=c.captain;154574]not planning to get into the fight but can’t let a good opportunity pass by
I realize now why y’all in the South hate unions so much now…it’s because we were the UNION!
But I just love to say that you lost your stoopid war but can’t accept that fact even 150 years after it ended with your defeat…You hate everything that has to do with the North even though it would be for your benefit. What rubes, what poltroons, what imbezzels, what ultramaroons y’all are! Everything I’ve stated on this subject of the South and southerners in the past here is all so gloriously proven now with your one post. The battle still rages on and and on and on… you think you can win it this time and you thought you were until suddenly the price of oil in the word collapses. It is just like the idea that King Cotton would win the Civil War for the Confederacy…didn’t work then and ain’t gonna work now! BwahahaHA!
[QUOTE=AHTS Master;154575]When will you grow up and post like an adult.[/QUOTE]
oh, is someone’s feelings hurt by my stinging words?..poor, poor little man
anyway, got a very busy day to start so likely won’t be back till late afternoon. Y’all can go back now to shooting at eachother from point blank range. The Civil War was stoopid and so is the discussion here which for the most part is now Confederates all decrying unions still without any real rational support other than you hate them because they are all a Yankee plot to subjugate y’all. In reality it is Joe Boss who it doing the subjugating. You do know what subjugate means…correct? It means to make you subject to. Are you really truly not subject to Joe’s tyranny? Are you?
enjoy the shitfight…will be back later to see who has more feces stuck to them.
C.captain I grew up north of Lincoln City so to me you are a southerner. I guess that means I must be smarter than you. I think it’s funny how a left coaster can think he can cast his opinion over an industry 2000 miles away and think anyone gives a shit about it.
[QUOTE=Steamer;154569]You really ought to stop gulping the Kool-Aid and take a breath.
This nation was at its economic peak when union membership was highest. [/QUOTE]
According to the congressional research service that was 1954. Can you make the case that our economy “peaked” then? What does an economy peaking actually mean? Highest household income? Per capita income? Total number of jobs? Lowest unemployment?
I’m sure there are many women and blacks that would say our economy wasn’t peaking then for them.
Just curious as I’m sure you’ve got some more to say on this. Sure beats reading unhinged ranting in all caps
De-hires? What politically correct euphimism is that? What happend to, Your fired, shit canned, hit the road Jack n don’t come back. Pack your shit, you’re done. I remember when mariners had colorful vocabularies. Please add any favorites you might have.
