Have no worries, I’m happy to talk guns within scuttlebutt… But once Feinstein is mentioned my blood pressure rises and my finger starts hovering near the delete key 
[QUOTE=ChiefRob;96740]. Heck even a Ruger 10/22 is on her new list. Give me a break???[/QUOTE]
Rob - Your 10/22 is safe.
Here is the full text of the Draft Bill:
M1 Carbine is Exempt ref page 23, Line 20
M1 Garand is Exempt ref page 23, line 21
Ruger 10/22 is Exempt ref page 51, Line 3-7
Read it and weep.
[QUOTE=Jetryder223;96750]Rob - Your 10/22 is safe.
Here is the full text of the Draft Bill:
M1 Carbine is Exempt ref page 23, Line 20
M1 Garand is Exempt ref page 23, line 21
Ruger 10/22 is Exempt ref page 51, Line 3-7
Read it and weep.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected then. That must have been a draft or something I read a few days ago. the bill I saw was definetly a little different from this link you posted. According to this the M1 carbines, Garand’s, Mini 14, and Mini 30’s are all exempt, except the Mini 14 tatical model.and as you stated earlier no folding or colapasable stocks. Hmmn very interesting. I wonder now how a M1A will be treated, I did not see it listed on either list. A M1A is not much different from a Garand just a detachable mag.
[QUOTE=john;96734]Well that’s not a problem considering I don’t have extra “supplies” and it doesn’t look like I can now afford them…
I shared my thoughts only because it sounds like a few of you guys have plenty of extra “supplies” that could be traded for a ride…
From knowing some of you guys I also don’t think most reading this thread would have a problem shooing off those looking for donations ;)[/QUOTE]
Don’t worry John if you are any where near the Gulf Coast when all heck breaks loose, give me a call. I will make sure you are supplied with something that will have no problem shooing off anyone looking for donations.
[QUOTE=john;96713]But of course it’s wise to also know how to defend yourself. For those wishing to be “well-equipped” The book Survivors by James Wesley Rawles, is a great first read: http://amzn.to/We5eY8
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Rawles also suggests moving to what he calls the American Redoubt. These are select states out west that have low populations, self sufficiency and independence are encouraged, and the weather is fairly conducive to small scale farming and livestock.
[QUOTE=coldduck;96766]
Rawles also suggests moving to what he calls the American Redoubt. These are select states out west that have low populations, self sufficiency and independence are encouraged, and the weather is fairly conducive to small scale farming and livestock.[/QUOTE]
This post has self destructed after 12hours to prevent google from reading it… pm me if you want a copy 
John - Forget the $1500 AR-15.
For the same money, get these essential tools:
Remington 870 in 12 Gage - With buckshot load, there is nothing more leathal at close range - $450
Remington 700 in 308. Extremely accurate to 500 yards - $700. Add a scope when able.
Marlin Papoose in 22LR - Great survival tool. Compact take down rifle, can be stowed and carried as easily as a laptop computer - $350
[QUOTE=“Jetryder223;96526”]There were more case studies than just the old lady and her pistol. It was an organized disarming of the law abiding citizens. LEO were even venturing far out of the disaster area to affluent neighborhoods to grab guns.[/QUOTE]
And the police didn’t issue receipts so the only way to get the guns back was to provide original purchase paperwork.
Sound about right but why 308?
[QUOTE=Jetryder223;96786]John - Forget the $1500 AR-15.
For the same money, get these essential tools:
Remington 870 in 12 Gage - With buckshot load, there is nothing more leathal at close range - $450
Remington 700 in 308. Extremely accurate to 500 yards - $700. Add a scope when able.
Marlin Papoose in 22LR - Great survival tool. Compact take down rifle, can be stowed and carried as easily as a laptop computer - $350[/QUOTE]
I’d suggest the AR-7 by Henry instead of the papoose… just my 2 zinc’s. Also for a long range the M91/30 russian nagant rifle ($89-119 bucks) is no slouch and you can buy 3-4 (spares) ammo is cheap right now. $150 or so for 440 rds. (7.62x54r) Also you can afford to goto the range and become proficinent by spinning 80 rounds downrange without getting a payday advance to afford it! Prior to the gun nonsence I got +1700 rounds for $309.00.
I’m a firm beliver in the 91/30. It comes with a 2 foot bayonet and you could swing it davy crocket style and it wound not break, try that with the mattel special… 
for fun check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eqG5GJRies
What are your suggestions if, say, your “future plans” might include a boat? (What’s good in Stainless?)
NOT that I would take them on my boat!! Just if? (I just want that to be clear… local California fish & game read this site, have boarded the f/v gCaptain more than once and they don’t give breaks to fellow mariners… FYI: they are also HEAVILY armed
As far as “Prepping” goes I was one before I knew what that was… Growing up in Alabama on the coast huricane prepardiness was common sence. Now in the U.P. it’s snowstorm prep. Our family has a history of military service and shooting stuff it’s that simple. Do I think a mega-volcano, invasion by Canada, Earthquake, Chemical warfare, etc al. is possiable? NO. Do i think an EMP by terrorist assholes possiable? well yes that COULD happen, not likely. Do I think our wonderful USG will bankrupt the country, and send us into the toliet,Yes.
I don’t depend on FEMA or the USG to save me in the event of a disater, I depend on ME & mine and the ^&^A%*& insurance that I pay. I have never taken one dime of FEMA freebies $$ and been thur a shitload of hurricanes. Dumb? probobly. there was alot of free $$ flying around after.
I guess I’m an old school Amercian.
[QUOTE=john;96809]What are your suggestions if, say, your “future plans” might include a boat? (What’s good in Stainless?)
NOT that I would take them on my boat!! Just if? (I just want that to be clear… local California fish & game read this site, have boarded the f/v gCaptain more than once and they don’t give breaks to fellow mariners… FYI: they are also HEAVILY armed ;)[/QUOTE]
Mossberg makes a nifty kit that has a 500 mariner shotgun(plated) in a sealed tube with other boating supplies.Perfect for burying in the ground…lol. Stainless firearms WILL RUST, you have to keep it clean! In a SHTF I think the “fish and game” fellas won’t be out. A glock would be a good choice as well due to the finish on them.
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;96790]And the police didn’t issue receipts so the only way to get the guns back was to provide original purchase paperwork.[/QUOTE]
Also I might be wrong but I think they were stored wet in a barrel so they were rusty crap if they did get em back.
[QUOTE=Jetryder223;96733]The mini-14 was legal in the 94 AWB but the tactical version banned in 2013. That’s why I recommend the M1 Carbine w/o folding stock as it is specifically listed as 2013 legal.
Where did you find 30 Carbine for 45 cents/round? That’s pretty good.[/QUOTE]
Lost the link. It was in a sealed spam can , this stuff showed up in the last year. Don’t know where it hails from. Supposed to be from a “lost whearhouse” or some such nonsence. Prob re-pop russian or chineese made. Army green can with yellow paint.
7.62x54r = 300 round sealed can on STRIPPER clips. 69..... IN STOCK! The stripper clips (real ones, not that china crap) sell for 2-4 each on feebay. If I was motivated I could buy the ammo- sell the stripper clips (60) x2$ and get FREE AMMO…hmmmmmm.
What about an cyber attack on the power grid? That would be the first attack in my opinion.
[QUOTE=john;96804]Sound about right but why 308?[/QUOTE]
The .308 is very effective out to 600 to 800 meters if you have a decent rifle and know how to use it. Also the .308 is basically the same cartridge as the 7.62X51 NATO round. Which is very common in most of the Army’s in Central and South America, all over Africa, and most of Europe. The 3 most common calibers you will find any where in the world are the .308, the .223 which is similar to the 5.56X45 NATO, and the favorite of terrosist and commies every where the 7.62X39. If you have rifles in those calibers you should be good any where in the world.
[QUOTE=john;96809]What are your suggestions if, say, your “future plans” might include a boat? (What’s good in Stainless?)
NOT that I would take them on my boat!! Just if? (I just want that to be clear… local California fish & game read this site, have boarded the f/v gCaptain more than once and they don’t give breaks to fellow mariners… FYI: they are also HEAVILY armed ;)[/QUOTE]
Remington makes a 870 in stainless called a marine magnum. Bass Pro shops and Cabellos sell them for 650 to 700. If you take even reasonable care of it you should be able to hand that shotgun to your grand kids.
Not knocking the Mossberg but I prefer the Remington 870 if my life was on the line. Also get a sling, if you are running for cover need to jump over a fence or what ever, a good sling is the difference between a dropped fire arm and saving your skin.
[QUOTE=Rebel_Rider1969;96814]As far as “Prepping” goes I was one before I knew what that was… Growing up in Alabama on the coast huricane prepardiness was common sence. Now in the U.P. it’s snowstorm prep. Our family has a history of military service and shooting stuff it’s that simple. Do I think a mega-volcano, invasion by Canada, Earthquake, Chemical warfare, etc al. is possiable? NO. Do i think an EMP by terrorist assholes possiable? well yes that COULD happen, not likely. Do I think our wonderful USG will bankrupt the country, and send us into the toliet,Yes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rebel_Rider1969;96816]Mossberg makes a nifty kit that has a 500 mariner shotgun(plated) in a sealed tube with other boating supplies.Perfect for burying in the ground…lol. Stainless firearms WILL RUST, you have to keep it clean! In a SHTF I think the “fish and game” fellas won’t be out. A glock would be a good choice as well due to the finish on them.[/QUOTE]
I’m not worried about fish and game once the SHTF… they are all locals and good guys who would be a great asset when the time comes… but they are a highly curious lot (I guess that’s their job) and I don’t want to give them any excuses to pull me over prior to SHTF In truth I don’t even mind being pulled boarded (have nothing to hide) but last time they sent the young guy who jumps on like a commando… scared the hell out of my daughter who’s 4. No beuno because the shit we see as children get’s burned in our brains
Ohh crap… now you got me thinking down memory lane of all the sage advice my father gave me. You might want to stand back I didn’t grow up in Alabama (far from it) but…
Despite the fact mine was a yankee it sounds like our dads shared many of the same values… and growing up in and around the bronx, situational awareness and self defense was common sense. Our family too has a history of military service (my dad’s buried in Arlington) and I was taught only to get into a fight if you only have one option… him or you… and once your committed be sure you get the first shot. My dad didn’t believe in a fair fight… he believed in avoiding fights at all cost - then before you get backed into a corner, turning around and winning them. He made no jokes when he told me that if I ever fought an adult, I had fight to kill. He said, many times, don’t ever worry about the cops, jail or jesus… because you only have to options escape or shoot.
And he didn’t joke about “doing anything” to escape before shooting. Sometimes he’d set up scenarios and ask me what I’d do. Like once he asked what to do if I ever pissed anyone off while driving in the bronx. I knew the answer “flash him the fake cop badge you gave me”. But he’d go deeper “Yes, that usually works but what if it doesn’t?” His answer “step on the accelerator find the nearest police precint, and drive throught the front door. That should scare him away but what if it doesn’t?” After I shrugged my shoulders he’d say “Shoot the prick”. When I asked him why he said “Well when a white kid shoots someone in the bronx, what happens?” I didn’t know. “Well if you had to shoot the guy then you already limited your options by fucking up… at that point you only have two choices; the emergency room or jail.” I replied “Jail is an option?”. He said “Better than the morgue… jesus doesn’t enter the Bronx kid… but corrupt judges do!”
He’d also tell me that rookie cops kill more innocent and healthy people than drug dealers, surgeons kill more than rookie cops but bronx hookers kill more than all three. Then he’d say “But none are as dangerous as driving around the Bronx without wearing a seat belt… provided you don’t panic!” He’d then look at me shrug his shoulders “Talking to a teenager is like talking to a wall. You will screw up, you will do something stupid, those are facts… so just remember on thing: don’t panic!” I’d ask him how to stay calm and he’d reply with “Because you are prepaired and god is kind to those who stand ready… he won’t save your ass when the SHTF but he’ll always makes sure the outcome is less cruel than your imagination!” Once I replied “I thought you said God doesn’t visit the bronx”… I never told anyone the truth about what happened next… but what I told my teacher was that I fell off my skateboard
So yes, survival was taught early… and was a lesson my family learned the hard way… and took seriously.
Well I had to escape a few times but I’ve never had to shoot, so he was right, god is kind and makes sure shit doesn’t exceed anyone’s (even a dad’s) imagination. The only problem is that your imagination grows after you’ve been around the block a few times. I’ve seen, first hand, the level to which society can fall… When I was six my dad took me with him to work. I got to ride on his lap (kid’s can’t do that these days!) as his firetruck flew - lights and sirens, into the heart of the burning hell called the south bronx… and, during the late 70’s to early 80’s the south bronx truly was hell on earth (Fort Apache, the Bronx and Report From Engine Co. 82 are not fiction!) . My mom worried that taking me with him would scare me for life… well it did. I’m not a prepare or even a pessimist… just a kid who grew up, left the bronx, knows that history repeats itself, and was taught to always be prepared.
When my dad laid on his death bed, after fighting 3 horrific wars (vietnam, buring of the bronx and cancer from Agent Orange exposure) he looked at me shrugged and peacefully said “You can’t stop the bells from ringing or know what’s ahead… all you can do is have your boots and helmet ready”. He never talked about any of those 3 wars except to say that the war in the bronx was worse than Vietnam and cancer was worse than both and none of them can compare to what grandpa experienced in 1944.
Well he lost the battle with cancer and for years I was upset that I never learned more about his life, especially his experiences in war. It bothered me that he never talked about it and I could never figure out why he never talked about it… so years later I met his good fireman friend, a former navy SEAL named Ed. After much coaxing Ed told me a story that dropped my jaw and made me shake my head in disbelief. He then said “John that day was a walk in the park compared to…” and he trailed off.
I tried coaxing him into telling me more but he said “These memories are like layer cakes baked with manure, that story was the frosting. The next bite is rabbit shit that would probably make you vomit, then there is the bat shit layer which would surely make you vomit then the dog shit layer which would make us both vomit and under that…” he hesitated “Well I forgotten what’s down there.” Being a bit slow I asked him why he never talks about any of the layers. He said “Son, I ate a few layers in Nam and a few more behind the iron curtain as a S.E.A.L… Late some nights I told your dad a few stories and he called me a liar. Then your dad talked about a few layers of his own shit cake experiences and I called him a liar. The thing about eating shit is that no ever believes that a man can sit down and eat shit willingly, and I’m not jsut talking about a small bite, but an entire layer of shit. Often you don’t believe yourself. The only people who believe your story are the guys who shared the fork with you… and both of them would rather forget about it.”
I pressed him some more and he said “During the worst of it we were averaging 3 or 4 major fires a night. Hell became a routine, same shit different day. But every 6 months or so you’d see something truly unbelievable and sometime you’d get curious. You see heros are a myth, medals aren’t given to people with the biggest hearts… they are given to the most child like. Every 4th of july you’d see young boys missing fingers. What makes a kid hold a firework until it explodes? Curiosity and a basic lack of common sense! It’s the same with firemen, that’s why the best firehouses look like grow-up kindergartens… full of men playing with toys, watching cartoons, telling jokes and giving the chief the stink eye when he orders them to take an afternoon nap.”
"Your dad was curious but he was also smart… and he saved my life more than once. I’d enter a building, do through the motions, then BANG something would happen that’s truly fuckin unbelievable like a kid drenched in gasoline laughing at big bird on the tv while he’s burning. Forget the normal questions like ‘where are his parents?’ and ‘what’s so funny about big bird slipping on a banana?’ No you wonder ‘How did he get drenched in gasoline?’ and ‘Why is he still alive?’ and the conclusion you make is ‘yep, I’ve died and this is hell… watching kids burn’. Now you’d think people would run from hell, no you go in willingly. You are drawn in by a basic desire to witness and understad. So I’d do something stupid like try to save him or at least pick him up and give the kid a hug - well Jesus can’t save a kid drenched in gasoline, and hugging a fireball would have killed me - but still your drawn in by curiosity. But we had each other and, more times than I can count, your dad would reach out to stop me and say “If it looks like shit and smells like shit… don’t eat it!” That advice saved my life more than once.
Ed had another piece of advice that I had heard my dad say many, many times, “After having seen men I was 100% certain were dead stand up and walk away unharmed while other men with nothing wrong with them drop dead for no reason at all… no one can predict how or when they will die… all you can do is shrug your shoulders, be happy and stay ready for anything. Always be ready”
And my dad made sure I was ready. He taught me how to think, shoot, camp. Pulled me out of four different boy scout troops until he found one that made us build our own shelters in the wilderness (the other troops stayed in cabins) and every summer he drove me 800miles to a summer camp that taught survival.
Ok, so now I’ve spent an hour of my time writing this rambling post with watery eyes (that always seems to happen when I think about my dad) but the moral of this story is this… only god knows what will happen and you better be ready. So I don’t believe in EMT’s, chemical bombs, financial collapse or mass riots. Sure those things have happened before and will happen again… just they aren’t going to happen to me. My fate (and yours!) is the unbelievable and unexpected. One day each of us will see something just as unbelievable as that burning kid and we have three options 1)panic and run away 2) run towards the flames 3) ignore the spectacle and cover your ass. Two of those options will kill you… and the third only works if you’ve got your helmet and boots on.
After 9/11 Ed called me. Everyone fireman at my dad’s firehouse who was on duty that day perished. I was in shock… all I could think of was what the hell happened?? WTF!? Everyone around me, everyone I talked to was equally perplexed. You know who wasn’t perplexed? Ed! He didn’t say much except that he wasn’t calling because he promised my dad to look after us, he wasn’t looking to share his pain or heal mine… he called only because he had an important lesson to teach. A lesson nobody learns, but one he thought I might understand. He said “Half the country will spend it’s energy looking for answers, the other half defending itself against a future attack… and everyone will be angry. Fingers will be pointed at those who’s job it was to predict this shit and defend the country against terrorists. But it’s all a waste of time. Yes, but there is only one thing you can prepare… the unexpected and un-fuckin-believable.”
You can’t do it today, 9/11 is still too fresh in the world’s memory… but wait 20 years and look for a kid who has never heard of 911. Then sit down and tell him the story… I’m 90% sure he’s going to think your full of shit. His mind won’t be able to wrap around the full event because he wasn’t alive then… he didn’t take a bite out of that shit sandwich.
Where does this leave me? Well I left the bay of bengal 2 days before the great 2004 tsunami, I took one of the very last flights out of new orleans before Katrina hit and I wrote the book on the Deepwater Horizon disaster and they can all be summed up in two words… unexpected and un-fuckin-believable.
So I stay prepared not because FOX news has me worried but because I’ve seen shit I can’t erase from my memory. I’ve never had to eat the cake, thank god, I’ve never seen anything miraculous first hand, never been to war, I’ve never seen a man (much less a child) burned by anything worse than hot coffee - may of the people reading this have seen much worse - but I have sat in a firetruck surrounded by poor and desperate people and I watched in horror as their homes burned.
Ok sea stories and childhood trauma’s aside… My biggest worry is, obviously the unexpected but practically I (as I’m sure many of you) worry that something happens while I’m at sea and communications go down. My wife could survive as well as I can (she was raised by a tough NYC cop and spent vacations in the woods) but she has one critical weakness… she’s way to nice, even to strangers. The communications problem I solved by geting her a sat phone with prepaid minutes ($400 on ebay)… but how do I prepare against her over abundance of generosity with strangers?
-John
P.S. My dad would have a comment about my worry about her generosity. He’d say “First a generous wife is what we call a good problem to have! Second… if that’s you’re biggest problem son, then you’re living a charmed life”. And, he’d be right… life is good. No sense in changing anything now, but buying an extra rifles or two won’t change that
P.P.S… SORRY FOR HIJACKING THIS THREAD! Feel free to continue your discussion of “guns”!