China & Russia to attack Hawaii?

Scuttlebutt
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thats one opinion
How about they were saved from Mao’s disciples who were destroying everything to do with the history of china. A bazillion web pages on that.

there is even film footage of lots of destruction.

Its was called the cultural revolution as they were trying to make a new culture and wipe out the old one.
I thought everyone knew that?
Thanks to the Nationalist the world can see what a real Chinese temple should look like and a huge array of cultural items
Thats also why XI doesnt dare say the Nationalist stole anything…

So little old Taiwan cleaned out the whole of China…DOH they just saved what they could.

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The Nationalists run away to Taiwan in 1949. The Cultural Revolution begun in 1966.
Hardly likely that such noble cause was the reason for years of looting treasures.

PS> Returning stolen/looted cultural treasures, art and artefacts to their rightful owners are all the rage these days.

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the rightful owners are the Taiwanese, the Mao’s culturally modified are not traditional chinese are they?
If they didnt take what they could they wouldnt exist today due to Mao would they??

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The Mao era was just a “minute” and the Cultural Revolution but a “split second” in Chinese history.
Have you been to any Taoist Temple in China, or even in Singapore, lately??

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Shame on you ombugge for trying to down play that terrible time in world history to a “split second”. For the US, I’m ashamed of how my forefathers slaughtered the Native Americans & that was over a century ago. For you to sugarcoat the largest mass murder in the history of the world that so happen to occured during your lifetime to “just a minute” is disgusting. It’s one thing to love China but to blindly disregard the murder of 45 million Chinese without remorse or shame is too much.

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The thread started with a question: China & Russia to attack Hawaii? Then the question morphed to something like, Will the USA Protect Taiwan? Now it’s changing to something like, Reasons Someone Should Attack China.

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the sure answer is to send commentators from abc, cbs, cnn to taiwan to run the news…, and speaking of political prisoners … we have 500 here in usa now, only a start i’m sure!

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No far from me to downplay what happened during the Great Leap Forward and the Great Famine that resulted from it.

In fact I was in China for the first time in the middle of the Great Leap forward. (In Shanghai in 1960) It made an impression that is still with me.

We loaded, among other things, frozen pork for Poland. I was standing watch in the hold while loading and noticed that the stevedores used small pen knifes to cut slices of belly pork, which they ate right there.

Although only 16 years old at the time, I remember I thought it odd to export pork while people were starving, even in Shanghai. Later, when I started to read more about it, I realized that this was barter trade, where Poland sent back grain, which could feed a lot more people.

This was not the first Great Famine in China but probably the last, since they can now eat at McDonald’s, or KFC if they feel hungry. (joke)

I was in China several times during the Cultural Revolution and it was a pain in the proverbial ***, but more of a shit show than a revolution. Everybody dressed in Mao suits, waiving their “little red book” and shouting slogans.

Was this major events in Chinese history?? In recent times yes, but looking at the big picture and the long history of China, this was “minute” and “split seconds”,

How many died in the famines and wars caused by western activities, like the Opium Wars, or from famines and sicknesses brought on by westerners in the “years of humiliations”??

Even those periods are but a small part of Chinese recorded history, stretching back 5000 years.

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You can’t steal from yourself.

If China were to say Taiwan should return stolen artifacts then that would imply that they are two nations. At most it would be an internal - domestic - matter.

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Yes domestic. Museum to museum, temple to temple, or private collector to wherever it originated from.

This is now being done with some of the European loot from their former colonies.
I believe some US museums and collectors are doing this as well.(??)

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You are saying China is a former colony of Taiwan - that they are now separate equals. That’s not an argument China wants to hear. I believe they prefer the ‘domestic matter’ argument.

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The interesting thing here is that China’s economic success (which plays in to their ability to more readily control their own population) is largely dependent upon markets they have currently in the USA and Europe.

If the CCP chooses to attack the USA, wouldn’t that put their economic strength at risk? And risk loss of control of unhappy citizens? Remember, the population of China is largely NOT part of the CCP. So this is an interesting dilemma. Few people really speak to this.

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Nice try, but I’m not biting. :laughing:

Try reading something from a source that is well known as reliable and not taken to sensationalism:

They have been around for a while and have earned their reputation.

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Chinese trade with foreign countries 2020:

The policy in the present 5-year plan is to reduce dependence on export and increase domestic consumption.

The large and affluent middle class loves to buy foreign things, especially branded luxury items. Nice potential market for foreign companies that doesn’t get held back by domestic policy and fear of the rising China.

CCP is not suicidal so China will not attack the US. Nor do they want to become the next “World’s Policeman”. But they do want to be able to defend themselves against any aggressor and control the water inside the “third ring of islands”.

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Yes … so let’s do a restart.

As a Hawaii resident, I have always wondered about an “attack” on my home. Consider this:

Annihilating these islands and all the Military Forces (and yes, their spying agencies here, too) that are stationed on Oahu, would certainly be a bold move and political statement. China and/or Russia could easily wipe out a significant portion of our air and naval military resources at the leading edge of the Pacific. It would eliminate a Naval shipyard (one of the few left), forward air bases, and let’s not forget a huge stockpile of nuclear weaponry and other ordnance buried beneath Pearl Harbor … that the Navy neither confirms or denies its existence.

A massive attack on Oahu would demonstrate the “ability” of China’s military forces and the CCP’s commitment to dominate the world power structure. This while minimizing the destruction of the Continental USA and most of the American population. No damage beyond my island home.

Doing this just before old sleepy Joe Biden campaigns for himself and another four years … or his able side-kick Kammie Harris, would certainly put an interesting edge on our next Presidential Campaign, eh?

It would make a military point while still allowing the US (and her allies) to exist safely and peacefully and unscathed. Thus, the economics of China’s strength would remain intact. Those living on the mainland would still be able to shop at Walgreens and buy all the junk you do today … made in China. Only Hawaii would be eliminated from the picture and that is a cost that … in my humble opinion … most politicians living in Washington DC would be willing to accept.

Frighteningly simple, eh?

I truly hope I’m wrong, trust me. But given the shifting cultural and social changes our own nation is going through, where people are more worried about what pronoun you use to address them or which bathroom they should correctly use at the airport … most Americans haven’t a clue and are wholly unaware of the potential massive change that could take place overnight. Many Americans are not only ignorant of their own history (never mind the rest of the world), but are purposely being taught the wrong facts in our public schools. (See CRT agenda)

The Great Divide in our own culture and politics gets deeper everyday. The CCP sees this and will use it to their advantage. Our Military currently may have an edge on our communists neighbors on the other side of the Pacific. But that is rapidly changing. Further, China as a nation is in this for the long game … measured in centuries. The US can’t see past the next election cycle, at best.

Our political leadership, both sides of the aisle, do not have the intestinal fortitude to consider the horrific consequences of ANY bold move by China. Invading Taiwan or Hawaii. I genuinely believe that 99% of Washington DC politicians will just bend over and take whatever China serves up.

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I agree, The CCP is not suicidal and has to be careful of their next move.

But world politics is like a chess game and the Chinese are very good at taking advantage of other’s weaknesses. My hypothesis is a way of gaining the most power while inflicting the least damage on her enemy. China is on the ascent, economically and politically. They may never do anything other than simply watch Americans destroy themselves from within. Easy, eh?

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The Chinese are playing Chinese Chess, which is far more complicated then the western variety:
http://en.chinaculture.org/library/2013-11/21/content_496587.htm
Try it here:

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You do realize you just outlined Imperial Japan’s reason for attacking Pearl Harbor, don’t you? Especially their calculation that the USA was a weak, divided, country filled with pacifists, that would never strike back. A spineless country, run by a socialist president so crippled he could barely stand, and his bisexual shrew of a wife. You do realize that everything you just gave as a reason for China attacking Hawaii today is the exact same reason the Japanese thought attacking Pearl Harbor in 1941 was a keen idea, don’t you?

How’d that turn out?

…yeah, I gotta agree with you on that… :slightly_smiling_face:

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Thats an interesting assessment of the USA in the 1930’s to '41. I won’t bother begrudging your own opinion.

Today, by any measure, is far different. At least in my opinion.

Add to that the modern wonders of today’s technology and instantaneous realtime news cycle and digital information exchange. For better or worse, that is. Big tech’s effort, along with the MSM lapdogs, to censor anything putting China in a bad light in general, puts their profits coming from China at risk, yes? Americans band together when pushed, indeed. Look at the immediate days following 9/11. But even that idea seems strained at best, today. Especially when China has the leash to control the media content and information allowed by Zuckerberg, Dorsey, et al.

Many of our “educators” have been teaching the joys of communism, without really calling it communism. They like to label it as “democratic socialism” and leave out all the bad parts about censorship and rounding people up that disagree with their political viewpoint. Which then leads to prison camps and/or mass murders.

Yeah, you know, stuff like that… :rofl:

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I read MSM. I see plenty of articles shedding an accurate, and therefore negative light, on China. That MSM

is patently false. Look at the recent opinion piece from the WAPO editorial board. Headline: China is exporting propaganda while the rest of the world stands idly by

How about the New York Times? A couple of seconds on supposedly Chinese-controlled Google turned up this article:

U.S. Bans Imports of Some Chinese Solar Materials Tied to Forced Labor

Much of the world’s polysilicon, used to make solar panels, comes from Xinjiang, where the United States has accused China of committing genocide through its repression of Uyghurs.

So the idea that China controls MSM and Google, etc. is patently false.

I’ve been hearing this exact same thing since the 1960s. Didn’t happen then, or since. My android-upgrade self will be hearing it in 2121, probably. :robot:

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