Censorship

  1. stop accusing me of being someone I’m not;

  2. let’s see how long before this gets censored:

Someone told me recently that around 1990 or maybe the late 80’s a female at Maine Maritime supposedly committed suicide while on the MMA training ship, but that her friends thought it was actually not a suicide. And so I started looking online to see if I could find a story about it, and I only found one reference so far. But maybe someone on this forum has heard about this incident?

Here’s the link:

And it says:
While the transition from a strictly maritime training school to a better rounded college has had its bumps, the changes do seem to be working. Gone are the dark days of a decade ago, when the beating death of a midshipman on a Portugese island during the academy’s annual training cruise, the at-sea suicide of a former woman cadet who charged she was mistreated by academcy officials, and a series of charges of sexual harrasment and abuse hung over the campus like dark clouds.

“I really do think the place has turned the corner,” former president Curtis said in a recent interview.

Anyone know anything about this “suicide at sea?”

IMHO, your post, query is pretty synonymous with what’s happening in the whole country today.

People are less and less able to differentiate between fact and opinion. And people are willing to get into fights, and will run others over (either literally or figuratively) to ‘make their opinion the dominant one’.

Its ok to put out your opinion. But to slander someone over opinion is not correct. When it becomes a he said, she said (but what I have to say is the only opinion that should be heard) then you may as well shut the barn door because the horse has already escaped.

1 Like

The query about the at sea suicide?

It’s documented in a reputable newspaper

This is acting wonky. my entire comment was deleted. try again.
you and I were cross posting. I didnt know the exact topic you were making your OP about.
But, Having been around sexual harassment before it does happen. Not solely M to F but M to M F to M and F to F. There is another aspect to think of. I’ll stick on one gender for now.

Guys have been screwing (literally and figuratively) shipmates for generations over any excuse: Advancement, Career, Competition, Reputation, you name it. Gender non specific. (it happens for many reasons.) Whatever the motive, its ALL Harassment. I don’t differentiate between gender or race. Harassment is Harassment. Title X applies to all.

It is nothing new, and I am not a supporter of only calling it ‘sexual harassment’. its MANY forms of harassment. Not that I like it, don’t see it, or haven’t had to tell a couple guys to STFU about it in my time aboard. But, when it gets to he said/she said it becomes useless bitching.

4 Likes

I didn’t notice any of that being censored.

2 Likes

I think you are mistaken. Au contraire, I find that the gCaptain community has an uncommon tolerance for differences of opinion, and the only subject on which I’ve seen evidence of a firm editorial stance is on the subject of #BLM:

Apart from that, pretty much anything goes, a fact I value tremendously. Take the running gun battle between @ombugge and @c.captain as an example; I don’t think I can say it much better than I did here:

Inasmuch as there is a consistent trend towards sexual harassment threads getting locked or deleted, I believe that it is due to the aforementioned issues with promoting off-site content, combined with an intrinsic tendency for such threads to descend into the sort of unproductive exchange that must be curbed in order to maintain a healthy climate for meaningful discussion.

I’ll take this opportunity again to thank @john and our team of moderators for creating this space and keeping it free!

11 Likes

A lot of us, including myself, have gotten away with a lot over the years here. Its been borderline free reign and the plug has only gotten pulled when it needs to. Saying john and the moderaters have been fair is an understatement.

8 Likes

The person operating the SaltyDog69 account has had their account suspended with a reason posted as “Cease-and-desist letters”, does anyone know what that means? Did the operators of this forum get sent a legal letter by someone?

1 Like

Ha. Probably by Ryan himself.

2 Likes

Wow… that’s one I haven’t seen before. Looks like their Instagram account got the axe as well. Maybe for the same reasons?

Yes, this is exactly what I’m talking about.

So if the folks at gCaptain receive a cease and desist letter from an attorney (possibly one posting under several pseudonyms on this very forum) they should “fight the good fight” and ride the ship to the depths below?

I’ve been on some other forums over the years that were eventually shut down because they we’re not properly moderated. We are allowed a whole lot of leeway here and if you’ve been here half as long as the rest of us you might realize this.

There is a vast difference between blatant censorship and running a tight ship.

5 Likes

The Instagram account was shut down by the owner after he got so much shit from everybody that somebody actually started a meme page against him. After threatening to sue everybody who ever looked sideways at him, all of a sudden he was gone.

1 Like

Haha John wouldn’t even fight a guy over a cease and desist from the Plimsoll mark stickers that he was making. You think they’re going to take on this boondoggle??

2 Likes

For some perspective, I was looking at a sailboat cruisers’ forum a while ago. Someone had posted about a recent incident saying that fake rescue calls were no big deal because responders were just sitting around doing nothing anyway so it was good practice for them. I registered so I could respond that someone in a real emergency might perish while the CG was off on a wild goose chase. I ended my post by saying the poster didn’t know what he was talking about and needed to educate himself about the realities of SAR; no curses or insults. I was immediately banned by an administrator for addressing their poster in a “rude manner on a friendly forum”. I figured if the people on that forum were that clueless it wasn’t worth going back and asking for forgiveness so I could get exposed to more stupidity.
gCaptain is the best maritime forum hands down.

6 Likes

No, I do not expect the owner/operator of a forum/website to take a stand over free speech on behalf of an anonymous poster when he receives serious cease and desist letters from organizations with significantly more money, lawyers, and (fanatical) membership.

But let’s recognize that there is an effort to keep these stories from being read. Are all of these maritime organizations coordinating with each other to suppress victim stories? In some cases. But in general their interests happen to be aligned on the issue of SASH and no coordination is needed.

This is about $$$. And about people losing their licenses and about people going to jail.

There are a lot of victims. People in this industry are terrified of the levee breaking. Even if that terror is subconscious.

But if it keeps on raining, the levee’s gonna break…

And there ain’t no cease and desist letter that’s gonna stop that from happening…

There are slander and libel laws, people making accusations without evidence might fall foul of these laws.

In society there have been incidences of people making up accusations just to tarnish the name of somebody they don’t like for other reasons.

1 Like

Have participated in more than a few sites, this one is one of the most tolerant. I know they grit their teeth sometimes, but give us quite a bit of latitude. If a post was censored or closed (even my own), generally for a good reason. One of the best maritime sites I have had the pleasure to participate in.

5 Likes

yeah generally when a scuttlebut thread gets a bit too ‘heated’ it just gets locked and that’s the end of it.

2 Likes

IMO, your statement is true. But did that other forum have a whole category like, “Searching For Companionship” for romantic hookups? That’s something gCaptain doesn’t have & people (or an individual) is implying gcaptain is covering up some type of systematic sexual harassment plot? A sailboat forum that I stopped visiting a decade ago had something that was nearly an offshore swingers category. I just visited the site again & they’re still at it. Any anti sexual harassment champions should go visit that forum to clean it up.

2 Likes