I mean for those LMSR engineers to have steady jobs again. I know those TAGS aren’t gas turbine ships, but it would be good to get new FOS billets.
Excited about possibly getting jobs on ships notorious for shit pay? The Watson ships pay is bad enough, if Keystone gets the white hulls there will be a lot of mt billets with all the other work for the few meba mates that there are. Now if the TAGS mou wages suddenly surpass the LMSR’s that would change things but when I asked a union official in the know if the wages had come up to a marad level, they said no.
Not true especially because Keystone isn’t guaranteed to retain the 11 MARAD ROS ships they have. If they keep all MARAD ROS ships and get White Hulls/ TAGS then yes.
Not that it will ever happen…. But lets say Keystone loses half, thats at most 6 chief mates and 12 3rds max. Where will the rest of the 50 plus mates come from to crew the tags? What about the 45 mates for the express ships. Oh yeah, the DEC plans to use AMO for all jobs that they cant fill. Awesome. All those plans contributions go right to AMO plans. This is exactly what Adam was using as his reason for ditching the mmp pass through.
Problem with the passthrough with MMP was that MEBA Mates didn’t get a chance to even bid on four of our own ships before they were sent to MMP. This was in exchange for a passthrough list for MMP jobs that basically was unusable for MEBA mates. Plus a better relationship with AMO allows for more jobs for engineers.
If Keystone wins the TAGS and keeps all the ROS they currently have and were extremely short on mates who knows maybe MEBA would do a 2/3 agreement for the deck officer jobs with AMO. 4 AMO deck ships , 3 MEBA deck ships.
I think Patriot, Crowley, and Ocean Shipholdings are bidding.
To MEBADECKIE: If you have, soon to be had, a problem with protocols of passthru shipping especially with regards to Express Ships LDO billets, I hope you’ve been bitching out your own union officials since about 1995. MEBA agreed to it. It wasn’t shoved down their throats by MMP. It was a quid pro quo arrangement.
I don’t know how many of these folks go that far back with their union time…
The one way above who mentioned a MEBA engineer hating on deckies strikes me as one of the SUNY grads who worshipped a certain cantankerous old timer hired for several years as the Empire State’s reefer engineer. Sadly, kids idolize miserable douchebags like that instead of realizing he was/is actually hated by all the other engineers and led a pretty unremarkable/generic career himself… They want to be like them for some reason and all it does is perpetuate silly hateful rhetoric and distrust between folks over something as basic as what your license says on it — not to mention making them look like total idiots.
He wasn’t wrong.
PS: Which union is dying and which one is thriving?
PPS: I hope I live to see the day that engineers get paid more than mates–but of course window-lickers will never allow that.
Must be one of his glorious disciples.
I’ve found the worst run ships with the most drama are ones filled with guys like you. Who gives a fuck if the guy on the wheel house or doing the dishes makes the same amount of money. It’s all about what YOU take home and if you’re happy with it then shut the fuck up.
I knew I had the right guy — not really hard to spot the whiny, miserable old asshole who caused headaches for both departments. Just sad he dragged kids into it who don’t know any better.
And I notice you still haven’t answered me on the issue you invented with our hiring hall system? Hard to swallow even your own BS, eh? Don’t worry. I’m sure you’ll think of something eventually.
What’s pathetic is these old idiots bring that attitude to a training ship of all places and soon the kids begin to worship them as the example of what they believe it takes to be a good engineer. They’ll start to dress like them, talk like them — even stock up on cigars and smoke like one of them. It’d be cute if it wasn’t such a sad case of identity crisis. They graduate and go to work with a chip on their shoulder they can’t explain, acting like antisocial weirdos. Instead of getting along, you get stupid shit like what was written above, with a couple of braindead PS/PPS attachments to tie it all off.
Hey, if ya can’t think for yourself… just behave like a bitter anachronism, a near lifeless leftover from a long bygone era and surely it should help you cope.
Well, clearly he’s not. He’s miserable. That’s no one’s fault or problem but his own.
Pretty ironic comment, considering you have written multiple paragraphs of self-conscious rant combined with shrink-level psychoanalysis. So easy to push your buttons, mate. Super glad you can tell everyone else how their behavior is wrong, but fail to look in the mirror.
The difference is, some guys are too busy being useful to sit around and ponder the universe (and other men) as much as you seem to have time for. And heaven forbid, somebody pokes fun at mr overly-sensitive-feelz-snowflake.
PS: Nobody is hating on deckies
PPS: Why are some deckies always so super cereal?
Someone is forgetting how this all started with their own bullshit assertions. It’s okay, walk it back now.
Do you proofread and comprehend your own crap at all before pressing reply?
Copout detected. Good boy— sit this one out.
No way they get that arrangement. MARAD typically spreads the wealth, so if companies lose one ship they usually get another. Particularly if they’re not happy with the condition of the ships. In my experience Keystone’s ROS ships have been less than stellar.
I’d be shocked if TAGS left AMO. They’ve been manned by the same crews for so long NAVO doesn’t want to start over with mates that don’t know how the ops work or how to drive a azipod ship. These are MSC anyways, and Keystone didn’t bid.
Here’s hoping Pasha gets a couple. Would be best to take away from Patriot. But Patriot also needs those TAGS ships once all the LMSR goes ROS. A bunch of those permanent needs to new ships and the 4 marines isn’t enough to cover.
Pretty ironic comment, considering you have written multiple paragraphs of self-conscious rant combined with shrink-level psychoanalysis. So easy to push your buttons, mate. Super glad you can tell everyone else how their behavior is wrong, but fail to look in the mirrory.
ShooterMcGavin is absolutely correct in his analysis of your behavior. Your post is extremely rude.
What the fudge?? I l’ve read this thread from the beginning to the end & the thread linked below & I scratch my head in bewilderment? I haven’t worked permanently in the GoM since 2007 but when I read this sheet, I remember about how many times people on this forum say the GoM needs to unionize? After reading these unionized train wrecks (plural), I ask myself, WTF? So bisides worrying about the crappy management of Tidewater, HOS, ECO, Harvey etc., the mariners in the GoM should now jump through the hoops that MMP, AMO, MEBA, MFOW, SIU etc. has for their separate licensed engineers, licensed 2nd mates & 3rd mates, AB’s, wipers & catering departments to find a paycheck to support their families?? After workers pay those organizations to represent them against their companies & competing unions? B Book, A Book, 1-2-3, Sesame Street, throw a dog a bone, WTF? Good luck with that to any dumb mf’ers who thinks it’s a good idea. American workers needs more middlemen to get their paychecks my ass… The oil field workers of the GoM should get the competing AMO, MMP, SIU, MEBA, MFOW etc to represent them against their competing employers makes zero sense.
Only two advantages of a Union is to
- limit the people that will work for scraps and draw down industry wages ( the bottom feeders)
- the stability working under established contracts so your wages can’t be suddenly and dramatically cut.
Problem is when the Unions work as bottom feeders and sign contracts that screw their members… cough cough MMP and their love affair SLNC
Last night when I wrote that I had just finished hanging out with 2 non-union shipyard workers. They were discussing their pay, benefits & job security and I told them the SHOULD consider unionizing. 1 union to represent all the employees at the shipyard makes sense? Then they mentioned maritime unions, I thought of this thread & sighed. Seems like a clusterfudge to me.