If a TWIC card expires, can you still work if you can prove that you applied? Currently there is a 10-12 week delay due to the TSA being backlogged.
yes.
at least the land job I am at if you show the expired card and the renew receipt we don’t give two flying dicks
[QUOTE=ForkandBlade;188250]If a TWIC card expires, can you still work if you can prove that you applied? Currently there is a 10-12 week delay due to the TSA being backlogged.[/QUOTE]
The answer propably is: it depends.
If you are on a 99 GRT tug, I am not aware of any regulation that requires a licensed engineer, a MMC, or a TWIC. I have to admit I did not read the new Subchapter M beyond seeing that it does not require more crew.
If you are on a tug over 100 GRT , then you are suppose to have a MMC and a TWIC.
I can count on one hand the number of times I have been asked to show a TWIC. In my experience, employers ask for a copy when first hiring on, but it’s never mentioned again. Most of my employers would not know or care if my TWIC was expired.
If you are with a large company moving oil to and from secure terminals with a serious ISM program and vetters there might be zero tolerance for an expired TWIC.
[QUOTE=Menizzi;188264]yes.
at least the land job I am at if you show the expired card and the renew receipt we don’t give two flying dicks[/QUOTE]
What about three or four flying dicks, still covered? 
Pretty sure you DON’T need a TWIC for any position on a vessel, regardless of tonnage, horsepower or service. . . . what you DO need a TWIC for is getting through the gate and onto the facility to board the vessel.
[QUOTE=cmakin;188298]Pretty sure you DON’T need a TWIC for any position on a vessel, regardless of tonnage, horsepower or service. . . . what you DO need a TWIC for is getting through the gate and onto the facility to board the vessel.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, don’t need one to get a position? You do need one to get a license or I assume any unlicensed credential as well.
[QUOTE=KPChief;188305]Hmm, don’t need one to get a position? You do need one to get a license or I assume any unlicensed credential as well.[/QUOTE]
Unless thing have changed in the last 5 years, If you sail in to a port and stay on the ship, you don’t need a TWIC. You can probably leave the port area without getting stopped but you won’t be able to reenter without one.
Companies may require you to have one in case of unscheduled crew changes and such.
[QUOTE=cmakin;188298]Pretty sure you DON’T need a TWIC for any position on a vessel, regardless of tonnage, horsepower or service. . . . what you DO need a TWIC for is getting through the gate and onto the facility to board the vessel.[/QUOTE]
You definitely need one to obtain, renew, and hold an MMC in most cases:
https://www.uscg.mil/nmc/twic/
“[B]Failure to obtain or hold a valid TWIC serves as a basis for the denial of an application[/B] for an original, renewal, new endorsement, duplicate, or raise of grade of a mariner’s credential and [B]may serve as a basis for suspension and revocation[/B] under 46 United States Code 7702 and 7703.”
However, Policy Letter 11-15 suggests that you may not need a TWIC if you work on a vessel that is not required to have a Vessel Security Plan.
I had to renew my TWIC before I renewed my license, the photo on your MMD comes from your TWIC card
You should probably adjust the thread title to his correct name.
[QUOTE=Lee Shore;188335]If you sail in to a port and stay on the ship, you don’t need a TWIC.[/QUOTE]
You are supposed to have a TWIC in order to have unescorted access to the ship, even if you’re an employee.
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;188344]You are supposed to have a TWIC in order to have unescorted access to the ship, even if you’re an employee.[/QUOTE]
If you don’t get off the ship you don’t need unescorted access to it.
[QUOTE=Lee Shore;188345]If you don’t get off the ship you don’t need unescorted access to it. Duh![/QUOTE]
He meant unescorted access ‘in’ the vessel.
you need a TWIC on vessels with security plans, where you require unescorted access, most vessel security plans will require for all normal crew. You need a TWIC to get a license, renew, and as a condition f MSC employment.
[QUOTE=Jamesbrown;188348]He meant unescorted access ‘in’ the vessel.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/33/101.514[/QUOTE]
He didn’t say unescorted access [U]in[/U] the ship. He said UNESCORTED ACCESS [U]TO THE SHIP[/U]. The people checking TWIC cards for minimum wage at port entries don’t know the difference between a MMC, a stevedore, a licensed master and a monkey’s ass.
[QUOTE=Lee Shore;188350]He didn’t say unescorted access [U]in[/U] the ship. He said UNESCORTED ACCESS [U]TO THE SHIP[/U]. The people checking TWIC cards for minimum wage at port entries don’t know the difference between a MMC, a stevedore, a licensed master and a monkey’s ass.[/QUOTE]
Well, that’s true. He didn’t say ‘in’.
but let’s think about this. He replied to your message about condition if one didn’t leave the ship. So I did assume he was refuting your point, this was of course supplemented by my knowledge of TWIC, so I ventured to suggest he meant ‘in’. I guess I should have said ‘I think he meant’… In any case, your earlier post, to which he replied is erroneous. Even if one does not leave a vessel, one requires a TWIC on a vessel with a security plan where the individual requires unescorted/unrestricted access or is otherwise bound by the security plan.
[QUOTE=Lee Shore;188345]If you don’t get off the ship you don’t need unescorted access to it. Duh![/QUOTE]
Sorry, I didn’t mean from the shore to the ship but around the ship itself. “Unescorted access to the secured areas of the ship.”
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;188354]Sorry, I didn’t mean from the shore to the ship but around the ship itself. “Unescorted access to the secured areas of the ship.”[/QUOTE]
Glad that’s settled.
On the other hand, the people checking the TWICs are at the port entrances.They have no idea what goes on wharf side so, yeah, boarders and idlers should be checked again at the gangway. Let’s face it, there are still holes in the protective bubble but for the most part, TWIC does keep most of the worst riff raff away. As for the real troublemakers, they’re not coming in through that gate unless they’re on full auto and your TWIC card is then worth about as much as the paper it’s printed on.
[QUOTE=Lee Shore;188356]Glad that’s settled.
On the other hand, the people checking the TWICs are at the port entrances.[/QUOTE]
In addition to the terminal gate the shipping company may enter MMC, TIWC and other documents numbers and expiry info into a database when you get hired, some software flags expired documents. Documents may get checked aboard upon joing. The other possible ways an expired TWIC may get found is a company audit or during a USCG ISSC renewal or intermediate audit. The master doesn’t have anything to gain and faces possible problems by having someone with expred docs on board.
On the other hand as tugsailor says in post #3 it depends on the vessel, company, luck etc, it’s possible the expired document won’t get noticed.
[QUOTE=Lee Shore;188335] You can probably leave the port area without getting stopped but you won’t be able to reenter without one.[/QUOTE]
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A TWIC won’t even begin to get you into Port Everglades … a drivers’ license will though. The guards could care less about a TWIC and probably have less respect for the thing than those of us who are forced into buying one.
I think the CG forces us to have one of the useless things because it officially justifies the political corruption that created the scam to begin with.
Port of Tampa also, had to use my DL and MMD to prove I was a crew member even though a crew list was submitted to the port.