[QUOTE=Xmsccapt(ret);97185]You don’t sign articles on an msc ship, maybe contract but not NFAF. Yes, the purser at times takes up the passports for port calls, then he returns them. No Msc master I ever heard of keeps them hostage. If someone wants to depart the ship they are free to do so with passport in hand. If they resign then they pay their own way back and surrender their CAC card. Simple.[/QUOTE]
I think contract you do sign. Yeah, I don’t know where that other poster had heard that- it sounded odd. Thanks.
I give the Captain my passport every time. He either wants them then, or sometime before the first non us port. In some places he gives them back when we want to go ashore with a port passes. I always thought it was like someone said, they need them to clear the ship. I remember one time in Djibouti or Sudan I dont remember, the captain gave all of our passports to the agent who then took them ashore during the port stay. Apparently if you want to go ashore you have to surrender it or something. Anyway we were pretty pissed because we did not want those going ashore in a shithole country and if we wanted to go ashore it should have been our choice to surrender them
Again the MSC passport was a rumor and well, you know how much faith we have in those. I should’ve known by now
Buzby is a misinformed dork, watch how all the talk of cutting cost will be on the backs of the mariners. Never on the shore side personnel where they can cut and would not make one bit of difference!
[QUOTE=Xmsccapt(ret);97207]Buzby is a misinformed dork, watch how all the talk of cutting cost will be on the backs of the mariners. Never on the shore side personnel where they can cut and would not make one bit of difference![/QUOT
He also is on the way out. Retirement party within a few months.
Doubt it. The whispered upcoming layup of ten ships (AE, AO & AKE) to reduce costs will mean there will be too many CIVMARs to go around. Those on ship will be loath to sign off for fear of being stuck in the pool and being furloughed. It will be like the summer of 2008 again.
[QUOTE=DeckApe;97259]BS. The old man doesn’t hold anyone’s passport. Anyone who surrenders their passport to any master is held hostage by their own stupidity.[/QUOTE]
I collect the crew passports prior to calling at any port that I know I going to be asked for them, most ports in the Middle East. If I know none of the ports ahead are going to require them I hand them back out. Port officials don’t want to wait while the crew is rounded up and passports collected and the crew doesn’t want to be awoken at 0300 for their passport.
K.C.
Anyone who turns in the passport to the master when asked is obeying a legal order.
I quit MSC in Subic Bay Aug 1985. Asshole captain pays me off at 1500 Friday afternoon. He says, "Your not stamped into the Philippines so you’ll to wait here til Mon to get stamped in so you can be stamped out. My buddy was on MSC leave in Olongopo with a rental car and was fluent in Tagalog in 3 dialects. He says lets go to Manila and you can buy your way into the PI tthen get stamped out at the airport. I got a govt. rate at the Salahis near the US embassy for $38 a nite. I got tickets home from the travel agent in the hotel. Monday he drove me to immigration and went in with $12 and my passport and bought my entry into the Philippines.
Turning in your passport in port is a legal requirement. A man I knew had a captain refuse to give him his passport in Australia because he was quitting the Kuwaiti tanker he was on. The ship was held until the captain gave the man HIS (not the companies/captains or anyone else’ passport). You cannot refuse to give a man his passport. [QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;97266]I collect the crew passports prior to calling at any port that I know I going to be asked for them, most ports in the Middle East. If I know none of the ports ahead are going to require them I hand them back out. Port officials don’t want to wait while the crew is rounded up and passports collected and the crew doesn’t want to be awoken at 0300 for their passport.
K.C.
Anyone who turns in the passport to the master when asked is obeying a legal order.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DeckApe;97258]Doubt it. The whispered upcoming layup of ten ships (AE, AO & AKE) to reduce costs will mean there will be too many CIVMARs to go around. Those on ship will be loath to sign off for fear of being stuck in the pool and being furloughed. It will be like the summer of 2008 again.[/QUOTE]
After a few emails on Friday I suspect you’ze is right, the fear and loathing is hitting a fevered pitch here in NFK.
[QUOTE=DeckApe;97258]Doubt it. The whispered upcoming layup of ten ships (AE, AO & AKE) to reduce costs will mean there will be too many CIVMARs to go around. Those on ship will be loath to sign off for fear of being stuck in the pool and being furloughed. It will be like the summer of 2008 again.[/QUOTE]
If the layups are true and actually happen, there won’t be furloughs, there will be a RIF. It would probably be a good thing for the organization as a whole, but only if they culled the shoreside herd as well. Alas, this will not happen and they will probably need to hire more staff ashore to conduct a survey and hold a blue-riband panel to manage the RIF.
[QUOTE=DeadQuarters;97465]If the layups are true and actually happen, there won’t be furloughs, there will be a RIF. It would probably be a good thing for the organization as a whole, but only if they culled the shoreside herd as well. Alas, this will not happen and they will probably need to hire more staff ashore to conduct a survey and hold a blue-riband panel to manage the RIF.[/QUOTE]
there was a question asked of the Admiral about MSC furloughs. it will be for all government employees not just MSC was his answer.
[QUOTE=seacomber;97474]there was a question asked of the Admiral about MSC furloughs. it will be for all government employees not just MSC was his answer.[/QUOTE]
They’ll have to put on their thinking caps for this one( If they have any). If they layup 10 of the big ships they will have to reduce the force, unless they are willing to keep 100’s of mariners indefinitely in some kind of bizzarre rotating furlough status. They can’t do the job they have now efficiently. What makes you think their tiny little brains can handle this one. Either they wave the flag of “national security!” or they get themselves into a deeper mess than they are already in. It should be fun to watch…and my unRIFable ass has a ringside seat. If you have less than 5 years and are not in a critical position I’d get my resume updated!
One thing msc has going for it is that they are short all rates, thus lying up a few ships would only improve the overdue relief situation. As far as the shoreside taking cuts. Bullshit. Seen this before… In the end they will grow! And I’d bet grow with past naval officers as the USN cuts back. The canoe club will protect its own and continue to use Msc as a place to employ as many cronies as possible from the USN. Hell, they will even make positions and write the job duties to fit only a few or only one… Just watch.
I hate how when i’m looking for legit maritime jobs online all I see is MSC ads. “Advance your career with…” Knock that shit off MSC. STOP ADVERTISING. Every halfwit with two-quarters of a brain knows that they are continually accepting applications from losers everywhere.
[QUOTE=Xmsccapt(ret);97519]One thing msc has going for it is that they are short all rates, thus lying up a few ships would only improve the overdue relief situation. As far as the shoreside taking cuts. Bullshit. Seen this before… In the end they will grow! And I’d bet grow with past naval officers as the USN cuts back. The canoe club will protect its own and continue to use Msc as a place to employ as many cronies as possible from the USN. Hell, they will even make positions and write the job duties to fit only a few or only one… Just watch.[/QUOTE]
i have no doubt about anything you have been saying regarding shoreside’s poor performance which has been locked in for too long now. i just hope that with as big an impact we may have coming in cutting costs, your prediction will need adjusting when someone, somewhere will finally whack the bullshit where it needs it. but who would that someone be?