What You Need To Know About The Battle of Portland - bellingcat

I don’t see where I imply that swings in political extremism are “fads”. A fad implies a harmless pastime. As I stated, when one political party takes the reins, the extremists in the far end of the other political side feel threatened. Frightened people act out. Fear can motivate the worst impulses in people, and activate the worst people in a populace to act on their impulses. Nothing faddish about it. It’s just human nature, which with proper leadership can be tempered, but never eliminated.

I’ve lived long enough to see L.A. burn, Berkeley burn, Detroit burn, Paris burn, Brighton burn, San Francisco burn, L.A. burn again, etc. The particular details of each riot, after a lifetime, have become a blur to me. The “isms”, the theories, the opinions–they’re forgotten in a few months.

During each riot, the party of change, generally called the Left, makes demands, some reasonable, some laughable. Five years after the riot things are 90% the same as before. But then you live long enough, and you see those 10% changes make things generally better.

War is politics by other means. Riots are referendums by other means. When politicians can’t compromise, and people feel ignored, they resort to referenda. When that doesn’t work to ease societal tensions, people riot. Entirely counterproductive, but so are referendums often.

Interesting history. Thanks.

Counterproductive comes to mind.

How any group of people would allow sycophants Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to highjack the platform and speak on their behalf is mind boggling.

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Have two friends of the family thru football have chosen law enforcement path. They will answer your call if a problem exists. They have also seen the very people they tried to help turn on them. Ain’t that special.

I dont think a lot of brain power was involved in the Nobel prize to Obama. It was almost as an embarrassing moment for Norway as the sinking of Helge Ingstad.

I still dont understand why he accepted it? He should have declined, and embarrassed the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

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He wasn’t Swedish. He had that going for him.

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Another report from a local:

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Total bullshit “Portland as I see it”. One persons opinion that is okay with the crap going on and has blinders on. Stop tearing up and burning shit. Your message is diluted by the actions you choose.

You been there lately?

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Never been there, a relative lives quite close. I trust her more than the media spin.

Kinda seems like the guy on the ground would have a better grasp of what’s happening than you or your relative who loves close by. Who you choose to believe is obviously up to you, but he explicitly says in the article the large media outlets are making it appear far far worse than it is

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The media loves this stuff and camera angles can make a couple of dozen people look like a mob. We know they use bias to pander to their audience.
The report in the OP is a good example. When is a pipe bomb not a pipe bomb? When activists suggest it’s “probably a device to break windows”. In essence, leave the kids alone, they’re just having fun. Like with movies, you have to achieve suspension of disbelief to buy a narrative that is this skewed, otherwise it’s just laughable.
These kids though, I have to admire their stamina; out night after night shouting slogans, setting fires, pelting the evil pigs with bottles and firecrackers, items they just happened to bring along in preparation for a peaceful march.
Then I’m guessing it’s home for a quick shower and off to work. Being on the go nearly 24 hours a day contributing to the betterment of society must be exhausting.

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I trust my niece to give me accurate data as opposed to “Biased” reporting. She is not the media, and we share different political platforms. She has suffered discrimination as an Asian American on the West Coast, as well as my other highly educated niece on the East Coast… On the ground reliability? She has the ability to avoid hot spots and doesn’t care for them. Her many friends in the area keep her advised as to the correct route to show up for her work without being harassed or delayed. On the ground reporting real stuff I agree with to keep her safe. The fake stuff and media spin is overboard. Perhaps some have a deep throat to swallow this shit and take it. They are rather liberal and don’t like this shit any more than I do.

I trust Danny Westneat, an opinion columnist for the Seattle Times. I’ve been following his work for years. The Jack Webb of crime reporting ("Just the fact, ma’am…”) He skewers the theories on both sides of the political spectrum by simply going to police records and counting numbers.

This is part of what he wrote about the beginning of the riots in Seattle, nearly a month ago now. No reason to think the statistical data has changed with the players since then (edited at… and ):

…"What we can’t have is people coming into this city and literally tearing it up,” said Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best, seeming to suggest the looting and property damage of last weekend originated from somewhere else.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan parsed the blame by race. She said that “much of the violence and destruction, both here in Seattle and across the country, has been instigated and perpetuated by white men” who are “co-opting peaceful demonstrations.”

A couple of Republican candidates for governor suggested the riots were even financed from elsewhere. Joshua Freed called them “paid rioters,” while Tim Eyman [a local Republican gadfly] dubbed them “Soros’ brownshirts,” referring to a conspiracy theory that this is all the work of liberal philanthropist George Soros.

Minnesota officials, incredibly, contended at first that three-fourths of the rioters there were out-of-state interlopers, ranging from white supremacists to anarchists (they later walked this back).

I took a look at the Seattle Police Department’s preliminary roster of arrests made in our downtown rioting last weekend (more arrests are likely to be made). The first thing that jumps out is that whatever else this riot was, it was homegrown.

Only two of this preliminary round of arrestees had out-of-state driver’s licenses. Police listed general addresses for 62 of the people picked up Saturday and Sunday for looting, assault and other crimes. All the rest are from Washington state… Eighteen of the arrestees show that no address has been determined yet (so I guess it’s still possible these will prove to be the mastermind outside agitators everybody is looking for).

As for Durkan’s notion that the rioting was carried out by white men, there is a bit of justification for her claim, but the data still is murkier than her official take.

Of 21 arrests for assaulting an officer, for instance, 15 involve white suspects — though six of these suspects are women, leaving nine white men. Four assaults were allegedly done by Black men, and one allegedly by an Asian man.

The people arrested for looting are a cross section of the city, however. Seattle police only list race as an identifying characteristic for 11 of 38 looting suspects. But of those, three are white, three are Black, three are Native American and two are Hispanic.

I don’t know what it means that the looting was apparently done by a rainbow coalition — other than that these riots aren’t going to be that simple to pigeonhole.

The reason I’m laboring over all this is that riots and associated protests are by their very nature complex. The purpose of a protest is the message, and sometimes riots carry messages, too (famously they are “the language of the unheard,” said Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.). But not everybody who shows up shares the same goals or is speaking in the same tongue. Of course not – it’s hard to get a condo board to speak with one voice, let alone 10,000 disparate people in the streets.

So it makes it easy to use this“outside agitator” trope as a form of spin, or as propaganda. It can serve to subtly let police off the hook, both for letting a riot spin out of control or for cracking down too hard on the peaceful protesters. Nationally, it can be employed to inflame political divisions (needless to say, that’s what Trump is using it for).
The reality is that provocateurs have been showing up and smashing stuff at different protests around Seattle for decades. As the arrest records show, they live here, so it would have been far more surprising if they hadn’t come. They also were hardly the only people looting and smashing things. Did you see that across the lake, in Bellevue, the looting there has been blamed not on anarchists or political actors but on an old-fashioned street gang?

My plea in all this is: Don’t fall for the imposed narratives. Seattle’s protest was a homegrown movement, and yes, it was our riot, too. The easy theories are designed more to disown or to distract than to enlighten.

In the end, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a story being manipulated in so many directions in which most everybody actually seems to agree on the important, central things: that George Floyd was brutalized and wrongly killed by police, and that we’ve got a ton of work to do to make things right.
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/dont-buy-the-outside-agitator-trope-arrest-records-suggest-seattles-riot-was-more-likely-homegrown/

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Kinda what I figured. The news media lives on ratings because that’s where the money is and they ALL have an agenda. They are all controlled by the hated “elite” including Fox and OAN. I ignore most of the sensationalism and most of the news media. I also know cops in big cities have become militarized and a far cry from the neighborhood policeman that walked the beat or rode in the patrol car and got to know the people he was there to “serve and protect.” I also know I have not been subjected to the harassment from the police that many of my black and Hispanic colleagues have been thru for many years. Yes, that kinda crap needs to stop. IT would help if the cops stopped protecting the ‘few bad apples’. But, why don’t these people protest bigger issues? A trillion+ dollars a year for military contractors but there’s no health insurance for the citizens? This seems pertinent considering we’re in the middle of a pandemic and millions have lost their jobs and therefore their health insurance. How about the big banks that get money from the government at 1% interest but charge a credit card holder 10-25% interest? Then those same banks use that money to gamble with which they do with impunity knowing they’ll get bailed out by the taxpayers because they are “too big to fail.”. They live on socialism while everyone else lives on bootstraps. The point is this. No one is going to support these rioters unless they get on a bandwagon that affects everyone. The news media will make some money and the cops might be a little more careful for a little while but that’s about it. It’s just a distraction while everyone’s pockets are getting picked and people die while arguing over wearing a 1 ounce piece of cloth over their snouts.

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The riots and displays of rage at authority playing out now have a life of their own. I don’t see that they have much to do specifically with Floyd’s killing.

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The article was written in early June. The second-to-last paragraph sums it up. I didn’t want to leave out the last para, lest I be accused of editing for spin.

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You’re right. Maybe old George Carlin is speaking from the grave to them. This was 2007.

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Wish ole George was still around. They tried to censor him back then to no avail. When he told the miserable truth in an entertaining way. One of my favorite comic/historians that gets it.

It’s one city I’ve never been to. I have heard that the beers have a sterling reputation.