Roger that, still no direct answer just more deflection…can’t say I blame you though as there really isn’t a way to justify such a hypocritical position.
Your entire China argument is falicy: ‘If you knew as much as me then you would agree with me.’ That type of argument can not be refuted. It also prevents the possibility that someone with your knowledge could come to a different conclusion.
So let me rework your argument for you: I am Asian. I was raised by Asians. Therefore my knowledge of Asia is superior to your white man second hand knowledge. My arguments about Asia can only be correct, and your argument can only be correct when it agrees with mine.
I don’t think that’s just his “China argument”. More like his default position for any and all topics.
Yes there are; read and watch news from other sources than your default news outlets to get a better understanding of the facts.
A lot of Hongkeys does not state their true feelings about this because they are afraid they, or their businesses will to be targeted by the rioters.
The “draconian rule” of banning face masks were based on an old British Emergency Ordinance, which is still on the books in many former British Colonies, not implemented based on any Chinese Laws, or instigated by the Central Government.
It was implemented in part only and does not cover wearing of Halloween masks at parties etc.
Yes I will repeat that the Basic Law that is covering such things does allow freedom of press, freedom of assembly and retaining the “Rule of Law” based on British Common Law until 2047, when the present “One country, two systems” agreement expire.
The grievances that most Hongkeys share is about the right to freely elect their leader and all members of LEGCO by universal suffrage, which was supposed to have been implemented in 2007, because of the disruptions caused by the “umbrella” and " Occupy Central" movements etc. in the past, this has not happened yet. This last episodes is not likely to help.
So you were born to Asian parents in USA and therefore have an inside track to knowledge of Asia, incl. China?
Therefore your knowledge of Asia is superior to my “white man second hand knowledge”?
I have lived in Asia for most of my life, (the last 45 years as part of a large Chinese family with roots in HK and the Guangdong Province in China) Since the age of 15 I have worked and travelled widely in all of Asia and read even more widely about Asian affairs, both political and otherwise.
But of course you and Hawespiper know and understand a hell of a lot more about HK, China and everything else about Asia, based on biased reports in US news media, US Government sponsored propaganda and the mantra about American exceptionalism, superior technology, richest country and military might that you have been feed since birth and except uncritically.
Yes the military might is still correct, but the rest is veining, if not already gone.
What are you going to do with that military might anyhow, starting WWIII?
If it was only to deter any other country from attacking USA, you could do that with a lot less, especially since no nation stat or alliance is interested in doing so ALA they know you have an arsenal of rockets and nuclear weapons to retaliate.
It helps to keep the domestic population afraid of outsiders and in check, while also making the rich richer.
It now appears that most, of not all the 39 dead migrants in UK was actually Vietnamese:
I don’t know how much longer this can go on before something have to give:
Chinese official policy is no interference unless there are casualties, or the situation starts to threaten security in nearby Shenzhen and beyond.
UPDATE:
The fourth plenum meeting of the Communist Party elite is on and the need to strengthen the “socialist system with Chinese characteristics” is being stressed:
It is less and less “socialist” and more and more "Chinese characteristics though.
Market forces will be allowed to decide the economic policy, but China will strive to counter western influence over “world order” and try to gain back China’s rightful place in the world.
That does not mean “world dominance”.
Enough to scare the western elite, who may fear loosing their grip on the world and their positions, whether political or economical?? You bet.
Targeted by the rioters or by Beijing? Do you think it went unnoticed what the state sponsored response was to the entire NBA (a multi-BILLION dollar industry) when one person (who doesn’t even speak for the NBA) made pro-HK freedom tweet? How much more if a similar sentiment was made by a HK’er?
Do you really think this is the “draconian rule” I was referring to? Do I need to post all the stories of people disappearing who held anti-party positions, or perhaps what’s going on to the ethnic minority up in the north? (side note: an ethnic MUSLIM minority which you have yet to address. This in contrast to your adamant protests when Trump instituted his travel ban. Yet another hypocrisy from the Norwegian contingent of gCaptian, but I digress), or perhaps what’s going on with the INVOLUNTARY organ harvesting happening to the Falun Gong (yet another ethnic/religious minority being targeted and persecuted by “the motherland”…having any Hitler flashbacks yet?) which can be read about here:
I was about to sum this up by condemning your blind support of China and all their policies, but that’s the problem…it’s not blind…despite their efforts to hide it, there is plenty of reporting out there about the GROSS and BLATANT abuses being perpetuated by that regime and yet you still support it.
It’s like the Vichy French have resurfaced in Norway…
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You found a VERY reliable source here. A blog “sponsored by your friendly CIA”, or some other US propaganda agency maybe?
You appears to be totally gullible and fall for all kinds of conspiracy theories. (As long as they coincide with your already decided opinion)
You should try to open your mind to other opinions and look more widely for information.
Better still, travel more.
same as it did in Paris till the government made concessions…
Soooo…any site that calls out China for it’s transgressions is a blog sponsored by the CIA…and who is the one falling for conspiracy theories here?
I am of the opinion that cutting the guts out of people against their will is bad. It is true that my mind is not open to any other opinion on this issue.
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so they say…
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China doesnt want to be humilited by foreigners but ok for this…
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Are you assuming we get all our information from Fox News and never leave North America? This forum is for mariners. Many of us work, live and holiday away from the United States. We get our news from several non-American outlets.
So again your fallacious argument goes like this: ‘You are Americans. Americans don’t leave the United States. Americans get their news from American news outlets. American news outlets are mouthpieces for the lying government. The truth is knowable only to those who are outside your boarders. Therefore you can’t know the truth.’
I, for one, spend about a month, maybe two, a year in North America and never on holiday. The only news apps on my phone are Al Jazeera, Straits Times, BBC and the Associated Press. (Which one of these is the CIA mouthpiece?) I don’t watch news on television because it’s crap - excluding sports. (How was that Wales v South Africa game last night!?)
Be that I am 1) Asian, 2) spend almost all my time outside the United States, and 3) get my news from international sources, I must be the reigning authority on Asia matters - by your logic.
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OK I give you that you have a better access to knowledge of the outside world than maybe the majority of even the members on this forum. How we interpreter the information we gain we’ll have to agree to disagree on.
There are many on this forum even that doesn’t visit foreign ports very often and many of those who do isn’t much interested in learning anything about the countries and ports they visits. (That goes for most tourists and seafarers of other nationalities as well)
It is ac statistical fact that the majority of US citizens never leave North America and very many doesn’t even have a passport.
Being of Asian decent doesn’t necessarily mean that you have any inside knowledge of Asia in general, or any one country or culture specifically.
Many of the Asia-Americans I have met around the world couldn’t speak a word of anything but English and had very little knowledge of the country and culture of the place their ancestor originated from.
The exception is Vietnamese “returnees” and other 1st or 2nd generation Asian-Americans that had been steeped in the language, religion and culture of their origin, or their parents.
I obviously don’t know your background in details, so I cannot make any judgement on how much your Asian ancestry has influenced your world view.
Bravo, but you could have picked a better game to watch than the boring kickfest that was South African Wales match.
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SA are egg sucking dogs. Wales is the bomb.
Currently I’m on vacation in a non-American country staying in a hostel. (Hostels are definitely more fun for meeting new people.) Last night I was drinking with my roommates. One guy is a Hong Kong born, ethnic Chinese, British citizen, living/working in Hong Kong who is taking a few months holiday to escape the mess back home.
He was obviously reluctant to discuss the ‘situation’ so I didn’t push too hard. (He joked about being able to throw petrol bombs in the street if the night was boring.) Two things he did say was he’d wish things would just settle down, and that he’s happy to have a British passport if they don’t. Then we talked about boating.
I only mention any of this to point out the naritive that Americans don’t get out much may not always be so accurate.
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Enjoy your holiday. Good for you to have some time off and to meet people of different nationalities and with a different view of the world.
I can understand your Hongkey friend that is glad to have a British passport and are able to get out if the things deteriorates further in HK. It is already affecting business:
It also affects the freedoms that they have been allowed to enjoy since the 1980s and after returning to Chinese sovereignty-
The US Congress passing laws and the VP holding speeches doesn’t exactly help, except maybe to embolden the rioters:
I know that there are Americans that both live and work in foreign countries. I have lived and worked among them myself.
Some even learn foreign languages and learn something about the cultures in the countries they live and/or work in, but some live in a Pax-Americana bubble and have no interest in knowing anything, or mixing with others where they live, or when they travel.
It is not only an American thing, though. Many Europeans are the same, as are most of the now numerous Chinese travellers.
The saying goes like this; the Americans looks for McDonald’s wherever they go, while the Chinese wants to sample the local Chinese food and the Europeans are more interested in the price of beer and booze than in food.
Common for them all is that they take selfies rather than pictures of scenery and architecture and like to travel so they can confirm that everything is better at home. (Maybe the smart ones are those who stay home?)
That most Americans does not travel to foreign countries is a statistical fact. That even most American seafarers doesn’t see many foreign ports should follow from the fact that there are very few US flag ships that operate in foreign trade and few American work on foreign flag ships.
I’m sure there are many that would like to prove me wrong. Please do so but with facts, not beliefs and wishes.
Once again, enjoy your stay in whichever country you’r in and whichever hostel you may stay in. Make foreign friends and don’t be afraid to voice your opinion about anything.
we had no USA crew in the offshore part of the Singapore company I worked in mainly because HR cant understand their licenses.
Only issue that ever came up was in Libya they just told us if you have Americans on board they cant get off and go into town etc, didnt miss anything with that problem.
Why don’t you start with your own statements and introduce some facts to back them up? But I don’t even understand what your point is. According to US Department of State, 42% of Americans are estimated to have passports. I’ll make an assumption that due to the cost and bother, lazy Americans won’t apply for passports unless they need them to travel internationally. Now 42% is not a majority. But 42% of 327 million means millions of more international travelers than some country like Norway - even if every Norwegian owns and uses a passport.
Your ignorant repetition of American stereotypes is not only obnoxious, it also shows how little you understand the world.