Trump Vows North Korea Threat Will Be Met With ‘Fire and Fury’

agreed, China owns North Korea and the REST OF THE WORLD needs to tell China ENOUGH WITH THIS PUNK! Sit on him or we will close you off to our markets. Sanctions on North Korea are ineffective but sanctions on China will hurt. China needs to be taught that since it is now a global power they must exercise that power for the benefit of the rest of the globe or they too will be held as responsible for this ugly mess. Except how to pass global sanctions on China in the UN with China having a veto in the security council? May have to happen out of the UN which makes it harder to enforce. Also, Europe isn’t threatened by NK like the Asian nations. Would Europe themselves get aboard the sanction train?

of course, China holds trillions in US debt so if we take a very hard line with China, all they have to do is dump their US dollar holdings to cause our currency to collapse in the world market. This is why the US no longer has any real global power anymore. When you owe so much to so many, you are really a very toothless tiger.

I’m not sure that China “owns” North Korea, or can control the behaviour of the Kim regime. Yes, they can shut down fuel and food supply to an extent, but that would only make for more suffering for the ordinary people and make the elite more desperate and accident prone.

You have a point that the Europeans and Russians would probably not agree to any sanctions against China, which would have been futile in any case, nor will they sanction any military action against North Korea before all other options have been exhausted, or an actual attack on South Korea take place. Sable rattling and war of words by both sides will not change that.

You are also right that if US should impose unilateral sanctions against China, it would be totally ineffective. For one thing there is little if anything US produce that China really needs, cannot obtain somewhere else, or produce themselves.

The other way around is a different matter. Where would US get it’s refined Rear Earth minerals from, needed to produce the electronics it needs to keep it’s military supplied with the latest and best of weapon systems. (Never mind sneakers etc.)

Your point about the Chinese holding trillions of dollars in US debt is also well worth considering.

CNN has a time line about what actually transpired to create the two Korea’s and some facts about the Korean War, which is interesting to refresh memories: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/28/world/asia/korean-war-fast-facts/index.html

It is worth remembering that nothing was really accomplished by the Korean War and the nearly 2 Mill. people killed by the fighting and starvation. It ended with an Armistice Agreement not a Pace Treaty, on 27. July, 1953, with the dividing line at exactly the same place as before the war: http://totallyhistory.com/division-of-korea/

That is still the case and any renewed fighting will not change that, only formal discussions involving all involved parties and the UN and without preconditions can solve this problem. Veiled threats by either side is not going to get anywhere, except maybe to WAR!!!

The US is China’s largest single market. If we boycotted everything from China we would bankrupt them.

The key words in your statement is; “Single Market”.

If you look at EU as a single market, as it is, it is a much larger market for Chinese export than USA and China’s largest trading partner.

China’s export to USA is 18.3% of total. Asian countries are not “single markets”, but together they answer for nearly half of China’s export.(49.8%)

Besides, where are you going to get your IPhones from??

Dont iPhones come from Taiwan?

Well…we’d best find us some right here in the good ol’ U.S. of A. Can’t tell me we don’t have even a lick of em and FUCK IT if it is a matter of cost to produce the stuff. Us Murikans betterget used to paying more to protect vital industries like shipping and shipbuilding. This race to the liwest cost and highest profit is what is unravelling our economic strength.

All you ever wanted to know about the making of IPhone, IPad, MAC and other Apple products are here: http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/apple/where-are-apple-products-made-3633832/

What I would like to know is; where is that missing part of the Apple gone to??

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There are rear earth minerals aplenty in the US, but not much facilities to refine it.

We built the Arsenal of Democracy, sent men to the moon and won the Cold War so you telling me the US could not develop mining and processing of these rare earth minetals in less than ten years evwn if our economic survival was at stake?

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You already are, through subsidies and additional cost on preferential cargos, not to mention a whole lot of over priced warships.
Just wait until you have to pay the cost of producing all the stuff you now get cheap from China at home.

Don’t forget the highest return to shear holders and remuneration for CEOs and Upper Management.

Here is some info that may explains why it is not done in the USA (or in Europe) to any large extent: http://www.mining.com/web/827211/

And this: https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/rare-earth-mining-china-social-environmental-costs

The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor folks and the rare earths folks would both love it if Thorium could be reclassified as a lower level of nuclear material, which would go a long way toward making rare earths mining more profitable in the US.

If Trump starts a trade war with China, maybe Apple should consider changing their logo to this:

That’s the part that turned to shit a long time ago.

Today’s threats from the supreme slob about launching 4 missiles to land near Guam should scare the crap out of those defense contractors who are getting rich selling anti missile systems to the DoD. If they don’t work as advertised there will be a whole bunch of red faced con artists in and out of uniform.

well the big bad wolf is huffing and puffing but ain’t doing shit…

if these words of massive retaliation where genuine then there would be at least three carrier battle groups enroute to the waters off North Korea and that ain’t happening so lots of hot gas being expelled but little else, but not saying this is a bad thing when you consider who our own Dear Leader is. Would anyone anywhere want HIM to be the CINC during a nasty unpredictable war?

SAD!

Actually I would. I know you and a few others will despise him no matter what but he has probably the best possible adviser on the face of the earth in these sort of affairs in General/SecDef Mattis. Mattis himself has said while the US military will be ready to face any threats he is also hopeful diplomacy will settle things down. 20+ years of appeasement from 3 different administrations has brought us to this point, Trump happens to be the man on the mound at this point.

Besides how do you know there isn’t a carrier strike group or two in the area already? Ballistic subs? An ABM Aegis destroyer squadron?

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because the entire planet including the North Koreans know where each and every one is at any given moment of the day such as right here

pardon me if I am wrong but to rain fire and fury or shock and awe upon that PHAT PHUCKING PUNK Kim, I would want three carrier groups right there off the coast ready to lauch airstrikes. Yes, the Air Force has planes in ROK, Japan, Okinawa and Guam as well as other places but nothing intimidates more that carriers sitting right there at the ready. Besides, carrier airstrikes come from close range so there is much less warning time to ready antiair radar and missiles.

regarding other naval assets, they have their weapons load to shoot and then have to disengage to go replenish. again, not highly intimidating once you get your defenses up. The whole idea would be to destroy all of those in the opening hours leaving North Korea naked and vulnerable. Don’t you understand tactical warfare at all?

So you have complete faith that a cartoon map put out by the US government for all the world to see shows precisely where all our warships are located at all times?

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