What’s a better equalizer than chaos? Level everything & whatever raises the fastest & strongest wins. It has worked for the USA several times. I’ve often thought of this Game of Thrones, George R.R Martin quote.
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“Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods… illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is".
Nope, Trump won the popular vote last election if you havent noticed, How’s Norway doing after they let in all those “peaceful Muslims” that hate your way of life. Your country will be erased in 20 years.
I disagree. 1/3 of their population is over fifty according to Statica. It’s birthrate has fallen to record lows while the number of immigrants entering are at record highs. But Norwegians live a longtime. So in 20 years Norway will still exist but the elderly native born Norwegians will spend their twilight years fighting naturalized citizen Norwegians for limited resources in their current (but not future) socialist paradise. It would be funny if in 50 years they change the name to, “The Islamic Republic of Norway”? Or maybe we can get the US out of NATO & the New Soviet Union will take it over? I can see the Russians trying to throw a lifeline to these small future immigrant overran European nations if the US steps back or is pushed out. No matter what happens to them, I don’t care, just interesting to think about the possibilities based on things that has happened in the past .
The best will be once the “new” Norwegians get control in politics (a certainty due to demographics), how they choose to carve up and “equitably distribute” that juicy 2+ trillion dollar (and growing) sovereign fund.
To complete your statistical analysis, please include numbers of those protesters killed by their own government for protesting. (Oh no they only killed the rioters). Noted. So for an equivalent comparison, compare numbers of US rioters killed by their own Government on Jan 6 vs. the how the Iranian government handled things.
Expansionist goals including taking over areas (legally claimed by others) based on self drawn maps of what may or may not have been the case 100s or 1000s of years ago? Sounds a lot like the Chinese ‘9 Dash Line’ you advocate for so often. You also looking put this in the ‘Hypocrisy Revealed 2’ thread?
I find the ramifications expressed by some chilling. Break it down to your own neighbourhood. Do you want to turn the clock back 1000 years. Were the biggest nastiest bastard on the block had complete control.
“ In a speech from the White House, Trump said the United States was on track to complete all of its military objectives “shortly, very shortly” but first there would be a period of military buildup: “We’re going to hit them extremely hard,” he said. “Over the next two to three weeks, we’re going to bring them back to the Stone Age.”
The president’s defense of his actions, and his direct entreaty to the American people, comes as the White House tries to contain the consequences of a conflict that has sent gas prices soaring and soured Americans’ feelings about Trump and the economy, six months before the midterm elections.
Trump sought to assure Americans wary of rising gas prices that the spike in fuel costs was “short term.” But he did not offer specifics on how the White House would address voter concerns, suggesting only that prices would “rapidly come back down” once the conflict is over.
He also tried to clear up contradictory statements about the competing objectives of the bombardment launched on Feb. 28, saying it was a continuation of political promises he’s made for years: to deny Iran a nuclear weapon.
“From the very first day, I announced my campaign for president in 2015 I have vowed that I would never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” Trump said. “They were right at the doorstep for years, everyone has said that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, but in the end, those are just words if you’re not willing to take action when the time comes.”
While he said discussions with Iran were “ongoing,” Trump made no mention of the list of 15 demands he has sent to Tehran or what he said earlier Wednesday was Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian’s offer of a ceasefire.
The Iranian government denied such an offer had been made and has made its own demands, including control over the Strait of Hormuz and war reparations for destruction by U.S. and Israeli airstrikes.
Over the past month, the administration has given shifting explanations about the goals of the conflict, and Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio have spent recent days vowing to end the war while at the same time threatening to escalate it.”
Not certain what the lack of situational awareness of the dying western world comprised of Australia, New Zealand, North America and Europe in particular the suicide pact EU is and was trying to achieve by ignoring a 47 year Nuclear acquiring, ballistic missile building, #1 world terrorist fianancing death cult called Iran? An Iran that vowed the destruction of not only Israel as a sidebar but the entire western world was financed and coddled and having it’s hind quarters cleaned by the self loathing governments who in Europe allowed 50 million Muslims mostly Islamists to establish a criminal, murderous medieval parallel society in the continent and is doing the same in Australia, Canada, the US and Latin America without so much as a yawn from the west. No we cannot “all just get along” when Islam is intent on bathing us in blood. Yes oil prices will go up, for a while. The Eurotrash NATO members cannot risk involvement or the 50 million largely Islamist Muslims will burn and riot in the streets as they always have traditionally done in nations they have invaded and now dominate, pathetic! Trump is the only one with the guts, backbone and foresight to see and to act on what needs to be done. Go back to sleep please, its less painful that way.
Yes from Globalist/Communist financiers and individuals as yourself, a useful idiot taking the side of the Islamist terrorist Iranian regime, the nuclear acquiring twelver bloodbath fantasizing psychopath regime of 47 years who just murdered an estimated 45K of its own people. Gee does Pezeshkian and you his water boy have any response to the massacres in Iran’s sreets the last 3 months? Didn’t think so. No problem, Sweden is 10% Muslim, rapidly growing, Norway is what at 7% and the remaining EU at 10-15% with a Islamic birthrate over 5X the white European birthrate, your fate is sealed. Europe is dead, it just has not been buried and the stench is sickening.
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One can observe an extraordinary leniency of moderators towards a certain group of people, against an extraordinary ,zealot like and passionate persecution of less fortunate non-citizens to penalise , exclude and silence . This is called discrimination while pulling the triger on some w/o hesitation/warnings and due process and tolerating the excesses of others who happen to belong to the same tribe. And this is called tribalism.
Is “ useful idiot “ an idiom ? Think it’s not as same expression is in several languages. Is it a compliment ? No. It is an INSULT greatly enjoyed and APPROVED by , what seems an increasing number of howes pipers with great non-academic credentials , what deprived them permanently from ability of abstract thinking.
” A hawsepiper is a merchant ship officer who advanced from an unlicensed rating (entry-level seaman) to a licensed officer without attending a traditional four-year maritime academy. They earn their license through sea time, on-the-job training, and USCG-approved courses, rather than academic education “
Does their venom, aversion / dislike, antipathy , resentment and hostility towards others stem from an inferiority complex? May be yes as it is quite common that ditch diggers usually hate superior minds. What brings me closer to the issue of moderators impartiality .
It’s laughable that many of you even have an opinion on who we attack to protect our own national security interests. All the while, living under the blanket of protection we provide.
Iran has been very public about their hate for the United States. They have targeted our soldiers and our interests over the years via their proxy’s and exporting terrorism. Iran’s official government policies are, death to America and wiping Israel off the face of the earth. Their quest to develope nuclear weapons was very close to becoming a reality. At what point do we act? After they get a Nuke? After they use one? The previous administration had “Don’t”. That was the entirety of their Middle East Policy. It’s not like we’re asking please don’t do it? Trump decided to actually do something about it. We sure as fuck know Norway, Europe or anyone else was going to. So here we are.
Memel,
This proffered statement, as quoted, is an issue with which you and I are aligned. As a centrist, I hold serious concerns about the dilution of National cultural fabrics via the spread of Islam. I despise the extremes of both the left and right of politics.
But……..allow us to get real about this issue. The spread of Islam is a result of woke, left leaning government policy and is an entirely separate issue to what Trump is currently undertaking in Iran. He is playing right into the hands of every left leaning individual and strengthening their resolve.
Iran is a young population of 93 million. Trump’s actions are only freshening the hatred and compounding the problem…….providing more fodder for the spread of Islam. In the meantime, he is economically strangling Oceania and getting them off side. Pushback and policy change needs to come from National governments……..not from Trump’s simplistic and bullying approach. We are seeing that in Australia now. There is a massive populous pushback against the very left Labor Government and their days are numbered. They got arrogant and assumed that they were bulletproof.
No one is going to push the big button……not going to happen.
@Ausmariner :”no one is going to push the big button”
I’m assuming what you mean here is that Iran wouldn’t launch a nuclear missile if they had one.
While that argument can be made, to me, that’s not the only concern here. The concern is their long established support for terrorist proxies. Who can say with confidence they won’t supply one of those proxies with nuclear material/components based on their history and stated goals? That potential (in my opinion likely) outcome is why this is important. ESPECIALLY to the Israelis who would likely be the first recipient of such a gift.
All they had to do is not be crazy and radical and they’d be just as rich and prosperous as Saudi Arabia or the UAE.
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