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Squirrel! Sorry–not distracted.

Very hard to learn anything from guys who make accusations without evidence and then don’t own up to it. Still waiting for your evidence that POTUS44 tapped Trump’s phone.

Still waiting to hear whether you view the fact that Trump’s boys hobnobbed with Russian spies, as amply documented by a Republican-led investigation, is worse than FBI investigators gun-decking a FISA warrant to get more dope on said Americans cozying up with our enemies.

You do realize we live in reality, and not a reality-show, right?

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How about the Schiff Show?

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do you have a link to that report
thanks

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Double-squirrel.

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REPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
UNITED STATES SENATE ON RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION

VOLUME 5: COUNTERINTELLIGENCE THREATS AND VULNERABILITIES

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So, Trumps team, got played by Russian intelligence ( the result of that was what?) and the FBI got played by the dems who funded a fake report that they used as evidence to escalate the investigation into a guy working for the CIA and they knew talked on the phone to Trump.
So all electronic communications with Page and anyone recorded…

Round 1 all that money and time spent investigating a made up story results in tax evasion charges, lying and one of identity theft - remind me what they were looking for?
Round 2 start to let the ones falsely convicted out of prison and start the investigation into the investigators

Any charges for creating a fake document and presenting it to the FBI

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kom·pro·mat
/ˌkämprəˈmät/
noun
compromising information collected for use in blackmailing, discrediting, or manipulating someone, typically for political purposes.

Example: Russians getting away with putting bounties on American soldiers.

In 2016 the DOJ began learning of ties between Russian spies and Trump’s team. Your assertion, apparently, is that the DOJ shouldn’t have investigated then. That’s your opinion. My opinion is that when Americans deal with foreign spies at ANY time they should investigated, but when it involves an election, POTUS should pull out all stops to defend the Republic.

Right now, at this instant, our intelligence services are saying that foreign governments are working full force to undermine our elections. To cause us to lose faith in our electoral process. At the same time POTUS45 is saying we should lose faith in our electoral process. Kompromat, stupidity, or just plan evil?–take your choice.

Did you read the report? Did you read the words of the Republican-led investigation? Here they are again:

Page was a subject of interest to… Russian intelligence, which had in previous years interacted with Page. …Prior to joining the Trump Campaign, Page communicated with, met, and provided private business information to Russian SVR [an intelligence service] officers in New York, whom the FBI believed were acting in a manner consistent with attempts to recruit Page .

None of that had to do with the Steele Dossier. But because the FBI looked at the Steele dossier, you apparently discount all the connections the FBI found between Page and the Russians on their own.

In a criminal investigation there are leads and false leads. There are witnesses and liars. Your belief, apparently, is that a false lead and a liar negates all the good leads and witnesses.

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Page worked in russia so he probably did business with Russian as that was his job.
So while he was working for the CIA the FBI thinks he might talk to a russian which is most likely what the cia want him to do.

You do know there are lots of gov emplyees whose job it is to deal with their russian counterparts?
But the fbi are now deciding for the CIA who might be a spy, well they failed in that job didnt they
Expensive lesson for the taxpayer…

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In other words, you have absolutely no evidence that POTUS45 tapped Trump’s phone line.

And according to Carter Page, he never communicated with Trump in any way:

“…I never spoke with him any time in my life," Page said when asked by ABC anchor George Stephanopoulos if he had spoken to the president since a secret surveillance warrant against Page was approved in October, 2016. Stephanopoulos followed up with Page, asking, “no e-mail, no text, nothing like that?” to which Page replied, “never.”

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ok I agree with you on that one at this stage.

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Now you’re just make shit up. Where are you getting this from? Look at his Wikipedia page. No mention of CIA.

I did find this delightful titbit about Page in there though:

Also in 2013, Evgeny Buryakov [a convicted Russian spy] and two other Russians attempted to recruit Page as an intelligence source, and one of them, Victor Podobnyy, described Page as enthusiastic about business opportunities in Russia but an "idiot”. “I also promised him a lot,” Podobnyy reported to a fellow Russian intelligence officer at the time, according to an FBI transcript of their conversation, which was covertly recorded. “How else to work with foreigners?” Podobnyy added.

:rofl: Another guy to add to the list of “I only hire the best people”.

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/02/nunes_carter_page_fisa_redacted_to_hide_part_steele_dossier_played_cover_intel_agencies.html#!
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This level of stupidity fits neatly into the Trump wheellhouse. Some people like to make the annoying “why would he do that?” defense. This is why. He’s an idiot. Or at least a perceived one. Yes. That f*cking stupid.

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I will agree that Carter Page, who was not a CIA employee, provided information on his contacts with Russian intelligence officers to the CIA.
Given all of the rest of the extra-curricular activity between Trump’s team and the Russians, that wouldn’t have put Page above suspicion. What information did he supply? Two sentences, or a book?

Your view is that should have made him immune from investigation, or at the least, the information should have been added to the application for the FISA warrant. That the info wasn’t added to the FISA warrant is a big deal to POTUS45’s base.

But again, IMO, it’s a distraction from the big picture. In 2016, when all our intelligence services were saying Russians were trying to undermine our elections, Trump’s team was talking with Russian spies, and the administration of POTUS44 sprang into action and investigated. You are offended that the investigation wasn’t perfect. But you have no problem with the cause of the investigation.

You and I have a big philosophical difference there.

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The FBIs FISA warrant program is an insult to due process. It’s a secret warrant reviewed by a secret judge. They are in my opinion a threat to due process and privacy. In secret a FISA warrant could be obtained allowing the FBI and others to enter your house when you were not home, search all your property and leave without you ever knowing they were there. FISA warrant should be illegal in a true democracy.
Was Carter Page a CIA asset? Probably. The CIA often uses unsavory characters and even criminals to obtain information. Does his role as a CIA asset excuse him? No.

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https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi43t-7yrnrAhVOWH0KHbwVBm8QFjAAegQIBRAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jobsletter.org.nz%2Fjbl19510.htm&usg=AOvVaw1Q2Sot5UAjTYC5c3w2eZG6

In the USA better late than never.

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what did Carter page do that warranted this huge investigation and they came up with…nothing?

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every investigation starts with some suspicion, you can then ramp it up as much as you want which appeared to happen.
Lots of money spent yet no collusion or spying charges but one for failing to register as a foreign agent. Thousands of people are registered
So not happy that the FBI found nothing another investigation starts, Mueller who finds nothing.

Was the same zealousness used on the hillary email server investigation which is clearly against the law but no charges.
The buying political access and favour via the clinton foundation, was there even an investigation?
How about all the crap that happened in the Ukraine, no investigation because too many Dems involved?
Ukraine buying favour via Bidens son and when the Ukraine authorities try to investigate, Biden tells the gov to sack the investigator who was investigating the company paying his son for work that nobody can explain.
Where’s the fisa warrant as Hunter Biden who might well be and agent of a foreign gov who disguised the payment as consultation paid to ta crack head but his father is the VP?
Must have all been good as far as Obama was concerned?
Can you imagine the press if that was Trump and his son rather than a Dem?
We have the money and the father bragging on TV how he influenced the gov, ok nothing to see move along…
So lets have another Mueller investigation to see of everyone paid taxes on their Ukraine cash or maybe it just went direct to the clinton foundation and they were all employees of it?
Looks like its not worth donating to a charity once it loses it ability to curry favour

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I suggest reading the complete Mueller report and the Senate Intelligence Committee reports.

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My original question, what is true and what is in the eye of the beholder. Lotta bull manure on both sides, chase your dreams folks.