Skyway

Skyway memorial finally going up.

Helluva job you did Johnnie

Ever hear of full astern? Just like that MISERABLE FUCKING ASSCLOWN John Cota! He was just FUCKING lucky he didn’t knock the Bay Bridge down killing hundred!

STOOPID pilots!

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Christ please shutthefuckup already. Read the book.

Mullet Farm,

Don’t you realize that asking someone to shut up in such manner on this forum is not appropriate? It will end with a bunch of flaming posts and then the thread will get deleted. Any useful information will be flushed down the crapper.

[QUOTE=Mullet Farm;148934]Christ please shutthefuckup already. Read the book.[/QUOTE]

and what does this say?

He was guiding the 608-foot freighter into the Port of Tampa when a sudden squall with gale-force winds engulfed the empty, high-riding ship less than a mile from the bridge. Visibility plummeted to near zero.

If he could anchor–and the emphasis was on if–he feared the wind might push the Summit Venture into an oncoming ship. So he decided to shoot for the 800-foot hole between the bridge piers, hoping to steer safely under the high center of the bridge.

“There was a large degree of sliding due to the wind. I’m sure the vessel moved laterally,” he testified. “I figured she’d make the center span.”

She didn’t.

what is says is that Lerro chose to hope to clear the bridge at the risk of striking it. He risked the lives of every driver or passenger in every vehicle on that bridge that fateful day. His risk proved to be a fatal one not for him, the ship he was piloting or the other vessel but for 35 innocent persons who knew nothing of that another man was putting their lives in mortal danger. They were the ones who lost and lost in a most horrible way plunging suddenly into Tampa Bay hundreds of feet down. Lerro could easily have said that his ship and the one coming in the opposing direction were at a lesser risk of catastrophic loss. Fewer lives would be lost if any at all! All he had to do was order emergency astern and the anchor let go but he didn’t and instead chose to “shoot” the gap and pray the ship would make it through clean. But “she didn’t”…so he lost his hail Mary gamble but not his life…that was for others! If he suffered guilt for those lost in his years before he died…GOOD! His judgement failure…their LIVES!

I stand by every word I wrote earlier and say SCREW YOU to each and everyone of you who bemoan them. I have killed NO ONE in my days. And I still say Cota is an ASSCLOWN because he tried to do the same GODDAMNED BULLSHIT STUNT with the COSCO BUSAN but luckily for him (and more importantly, drivers on the Bay Bridge that morning) all he did was kill a few hundred birds as opposed to a few hundred PEOPLE!

like I said…helluva job Capt. $400k/year Dope Head!

FUCKING PILOTS!

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Lol. Get em Cap! This ass might have well prefaced his “attempt” with a “hold my beer and watch this.”

I grew up in St. Pete and couldn’t imagine getting knocked off the Skyway.

it is all about JUDGEMENT

how can a 37 year old develop the judgement required in a fast moving dangerous situation?

how can a man who’s brain is addled by prescription drugs have the same?

they can’t and the system is rotten to the core

[QUOTE=c.captain;148931]Helluva job you did Johnnie

Ever hear of full astern? Just like that MISERABLE FUCKING ASSCLOWN John Cota! He was just FUCKING lucky he didn’t knock the Bay Bridge down killing hundred!

STOOPID pilots!

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Once more, your unjustified defamation to other’s reputation demonstrates your total ignorance of the facts or any other maritime knowledge, other than to be a bow ship handler holding an unlimited credential as Master of the Stoopidest.

Nothing more predictable than a pilot defending another mafia member

Lerro’s actions to stop the ship came TOO LATE! He needed to stop the SUMMIT VENTURE long before it came so close to the bridge than he did.

He thought he could make it at first and risked the bridge and the persons on it…to “shoot” it but FAILED! 35 others who had no idea of what was happening hundreds of feet below had any say in the matter and they were the ones who paid with their lives…NOT Lerro!

There isn’t much that can justify Cota’s actions.

As far as Lerro goes, it still seems that he was going too fast and didn’t know the ship’s position. His actions to fix this were obviously too late.

[QUOTE=Topsail;148970]Once more, your unjustified defamation to other’s reputation demonstrates your total ignorance of the facts or any other maritime knowledge, other than to be a bow ship handler holding an unlimited credential as Master of the Stoopidest.

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[QUOTE=RespectMyAuthority;148979]There isn’t much that can justify Cota’s actions.

As far as Lerro goes, it still seems that he was going too fast and didn’t know the ship’s position. His actions to fix this were obviously too late.[/QUOTE]

it’s all about Judgement…JUDGEMENT…[B]JUDGEMENT![/B]

or pathetic lack thereof…

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[QUOTE=c.captain;148978] He thought he could make it at first and risked the bridge and the persons on it…to “shoot” it but FAILED! 35 others who had no idea of what was happening hundreds of feet below had any say in the matter and they were the ones who paid with their lives…NOT Lerro![/QUOTE]

Agreed. Fake-it-till-you-make-it is not an acceptable strategy when the lives of others hang in the balance. Pilot-free passages has got to be one of the best things about working GoM mud boats.

OK, at the risk of venturing into an argument between pro’s with way more experience than I, I’d like to pose a question.

Didn’t technology exist in 1980 which should have shown the position of the ship in relation to the bridge? I’m talking RADAR & LORAN.

With those systems operating, I would think an experienced pilot would have a good indication where an 800’ bridge opening was even if outside visibility was compromised. If yes, then judgment was not a factor. If the ship then went off course due to an ill timed microburst or waterspout, then I would agree with the court that the tragedy was an act of God.

A strong thunderstorm can fill a radar screen with rain clutter and scramble loran signals making them useless.

[QUOTE=tugsailor;149000]A strong thunderstorm can fill a radar screen with rain clutter and scramble loran signals making them useless.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough.

Then wouldn’t it also be fair to say that a sudden squall sufficient to blind eyes and electronics at the worst possible time is an act of God?

I’m just trying to get a sense whether this tragedy is a case of bad judgment or bad luck.

I’m a boat and barge handler, not a pilot and shiphandler, I wasn’t there, and I’ve never been there, so I’m not qualified to say what the pilot should have done.

However, the textbook solution for suddenly losing the ability to determine position and maintain situational awareness in a narrow channel is to reduce speed, drop an anchor and pay out enough chain so that the speed is zero at slow ahead. The pilot may have had a good reason for not doing that.

It sounds to me like the pilot had more balls than brains, but apparently he was not held at fault due to the microburst.

The one with real balls on the day was the guy whose car skidded to a stop as the span dropped away. Car at the edge, he and his companions jumped out and ran away from the deadly gap.

Realizing his golf clubs were still in the car, he ran back and got them. His buddies didn’t go with him.

That’s balls.

That’s why the USCG and a grand jury let him off the hook. Like a wise man said “Sailing is a life time of boredom with few seconds of terror.” All you can do is hope you never are placed in that situation, and if you are, do the best you can. Someone is always going to have something to say regardless how it works out and unless they were party to the events, it’s all just wind.
Read the NTSB report, get all the info you can into your bag of tricks. Every deck officer reading this thread and feels compelled to post should remember that they too are eligible for one of these nightmare scenarist os.

I guess I’m saying you shouldn’t throw rocks in a glass house. It could be you we are reading about next.

[QUOTE=lm1883;149059]That’s why the USCG and a grand jury let him off the hook. Like a wise man said “Sailing is a life time of boredom with few seconds of terror.” All you can do is hope you never are placed in that situation, and if you are, do the best you can. Someone is always going to have something to say regardless how it works out and unless they were party to the events, it’s all just wind.
Read the NTSB report, get all the info you can into your bag of tricks. Every deck officer reading this thread and feels compelled to post should remember that they too are eligible for one of these nightmare scenarist os.

I guess I’m saying you shouldn’t throw rocks in a glass house. It could be you we are reading about next.[/QUOTE]

NO SALE! Unless Lerro had absolutely no indication of the squall until immediately beneath the bridge he had time to react soon enough to avoid placing the SUMMIT VENTURE into such mortal danger of hitting the bridge. The ship wasn’t what was in such danger but all those drivers…did that enter Lerro’s mind as he attempted to “shoot” though? I say he did have that time but waited far too long to stop. Just like Cota, he had the chance to come to an emergency stop in time but FAILED to do so out of HUBRIS and a sense of being a typical ship’s pilot…ie. INFALLIBLE! I don’t believe there are too many here who would not agree with me that drugged up ASSHOLE came perilously close to knocking down the Bay Bridge in 2007. I will give Lerro a sliver of benefit of doubt but in the case of Cota, that BOZO was reckless beyond all possible measure and was too drugged up to be even aware of how much of a potential catastrophe lay right at his feet with his inexcusable actions! He should still be rotting in prison today!

“He should still be rotting in prison today” Lerro’s dead asshole.