[QUOTE=Steamer;190558]Please don’t feed the troll![/QUOTE]
if only I could feed him something which would have a positive effect for the forum…
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yacht owners with money are pretty discerning folk, they would see you for the turd you are in a NY second.
[QUOTE=Flyer69;190563] pretty discerning folk.[/QUOTE]You need to deal with that through life. The bigger they are the more discerning they are. We could use several examples in this industry.
I am working as a treatment/wastewater operator for a large utility. The state licenses are easy to get and no degree required. Plenty of well paying jobs, with a lot of baby boomers retiring. A few more years and I am going to retire and ship out a few months a year for fun. Good luck
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I’m looking at Home Depot or Lowe’s, they have benefits and it seems like any idiot can do the job.
What segment of “this industry” are you in? I know you have been asked several times but it seems the question hasn’t been answered.
[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;190548]You would need to be certified, with a national association so insurance companies, and consumers would accept your reports. There are several more aspects of the business to discuss but this is the starting point. There are a few certified surveyors in your area, you could make contact and develop relationships with them. You can contact insurance companies and find out what they would need, so you could be added to their vendor list in the future.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh, you have no clue as to what you are writing about. As usual. I have reserved comment on your posts up to now. Please, don’t go a way mad. . . just, well, you know. . . or google it. . .
[QUOTE=c.captain;190541]Always thought I should get into this racket…tell us more. Is this path open to masters as well as engineers? Who do you look to for opportunities? What are the accreditation requirements?[/QUOTE]
Well, it all depends. . . there are two large surveying organizations. National Association of Marine Surveyors (NAMS) and the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors (SAMS). Truth be told, there are no real requirements. I am a member of neither. I did learn the surveying craft by spending 10 years as a Class Surveyor. Having an engineering background is helpful, but not necessary. Many, if not most of the marine surveyors that I deal with are former mates/masters. Many warranty surveys are for cargo loading and securing, Trip in Tow surveys, lifting surveys, load out surveys for dry tows. . . .the list goes on.
If you are serious about it, contact one of the more established firms in your area. Here is the NAMS site: http://www.namsglobal.org/ and here is the SAMS site: http://www.marinesurvey.org/ I have been offered membership, however at this point in my career,I don’t find it necessary as I do more adjusting than pure survey work, but can do if I have to. Most of the time you will be reporting to Underwriters, not necessarily “Insurance Companies”. . . To be honest, with your background, I am surprised that you haven’t been doing it already. Or, not sure if you have any time on jack up rigs, but there will always be a need for a rig mover, and a warranty surveyor to verify the rig moves, too.
I have been a Surveyor since I started at ABS after coming ashore in 88, and an adjuster/surveyor since 97. It has been a pretty interesting 28 years and has taken me all over the world.
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[QUOTE=cmakin;190579]Uhhh, you have no clue as to what you are writing about. As usual. [/QUOTE]
So very very true and so very very obvious. Why does John allow this idiot to continue to post and trash every thread he enters? The quality of the site is taking a huge hit because this moron is tolerated and allowed to remain.
[QUOTE=Steamer;190581]So very very true and so very very obvious. Why does John allow this idiot to continue to post and trash every thread he enters? The quality of the site is taking a huge hit because this moron is tolerated and allowed to remain.[/QUOTE]
don’t let him get you so “steamed” Steamer…either just ignore the BOOB or when the opportunity arises to unsheath your own pointy stick and jab him repeatedly with it. time has proven that ASININE and OBTUSE types like him do eventually go away.
[QUOTE=cmakin;190580] Many, if not most of the marine surveyors that I deal with are former mates/masters. Many warranty surveys are for cargo loading and securing, Trip in Tow surveys, lifting surveys, load out surveys for dry tows. . . .the list goes on.
I have been a Surveyor since I started at ABS after coming ashore in 88, and an adjuster/surveyor since 97. It has been a pretty interesting 28 years and has taken me all over the world.[/QUOTE]
The world of toy boat survey is so very different than that of a class or cargo surveyor or PSC inspector. Very few of the toy boat “surveyors” have any related professional background or training in engineering or maintenance of hull and machinery. They tend to be former recreational fishing boat drivers or captains (they are the only crew member) of small yachts who may have changed oil or done a bit of varnishing. The vast majority are seen as jokes or worse. They tend to just compile a list of fitted equipment, comment on what they think does not meet the latest ABYC “requirements” even though there is no such thing and much of what they claim is wrong anyway.
That is not to say there are not knowledgeable and competent small vessel surveyors know what to look for but they are not very common. The surveyor organizations are membership groups only, they don’t really offer professional training and they do not accept professional licensing and formal technical training and experience … they clone “certified” surveyors who, from what I have seen, learn by the monkey see monkey do style of training with little if any real subject matter knowledge. They follow another “surveyor” (who may or may not know his butt from a stern tube) around for a while.
Unless one has a specialist skill that fills a real need in the yachting world, it is a tough business in which to make a living. Contrary to what has been written here, the owners of yachts large enough to pay enough to make indentured servitude worthwhile for an adult, do not hire crew. They hire the captain (who on any boat worth working on tends to stay forever and move with the owner to new boats) but the captain hires everyone else and those candidates are forwarded by a crew agency or recommended by existing crew members.
Other than the captain and chief engineer on a yacht of 50 meters or greater, it is a rare boat that offers crew rotation, much less pays for time off. You think MSC has captive crews, try a yacht. You will be lucky to get 30 days off each year. It is a far cry from commercial shipping. Most yachties have a negative view of commercial mariners which is often deserved because the culture in yachting is so far from that of the commercial world that it is difficult to even compare. Yachting, at least that sector worth working in, is theater. Any monkey can drive a boat but very few can play master of ceremonies or cruise director to people who pay several $100,000 a week to be entertained on a large yacht.
After coming ashore from the real world I worked as the technical superintendent for the US branch of a very large megayacht management company based in Monaco. It was a fantastic experience with travel to exotic places staying at 5 star hotels and onboard some of the world’s most phenomenal yachts but there are only a handful of those jobs in the world. I left that only because I developed a technical solution to an engineering problem suffered by that class of yacht and have been successful in placing it aboard large yachts all over the world and still go to exotic places and board phenomenal yachts while tripling what I made working for the management company. Pleasant work in a marine related industry can be found but not by doing what you have always done.
[QUOTE=cmakin;190580]Well, it all depends. . . there are two large surveying organizations. National Association of Marine Surveyors (NAMS) and the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors (SAMS). Truth be told, there are no real requirements. I am a member of neither. I did learn the surveying craft by spending 10 years as a Class Surveyor. Having an engineering background is helpful, but not necessary. Many, if not most of the marine surveyors that I deal with are former mates/masters. Many warranty surveys are for cargo loading and securing, Trip in Tow surveys, lifting surveys, load out surveys for dry tows. . . .the list goes on.
If you are serious about it, contact one of the more established firms in your area. Here is the NAMS site: http://www.namsglobal.org/ and here is the SAMS site: http://www.marinesurvey.org/ I have been offered membership, however at this point in my career,I don’t finde it necessary as I do more adjusting than pure survey work, but can do if I have to. Most of the time you will be reporting to Underwriters, not necessarily “Insurance Companies”. . . To be honest, with your background, I am surprised that you haven’t been doing it already. Or, not sure if you have any time on jack up rigs, but there will always be a need for a rig mover, and a warranty surveyor to verify the rig moves, too.
I have been a Surveyor since I started at ABS after coming ashore in 88, and an adjuster/surveyor since 97. It has been a pretty interesting 28 years and has taken me all over the world.[/QUOTE]
To add to your list of possible contact for Marine Survey work, here is one more link: http://maritime.uk.com/
Since you are a bit away from the major oil fields, this company is more into yacht survey and other small vessel, but not exclusively. They act as a contact point for those looking for the right Freelance Surveyor with the right knowledge and location for the job.
Like cmakin I have been Warranty Surveyor/ Marine Surveyor/ Marine Consultant for many years, mainly in the Offshore industry and working worldwide.
If you are not tied down to work in the US, or for US based companies, there are still some possibilities for jobs as Warranty Surveyor/Rig mover in the Middle East especially. This is either through established Marine Consultant companies, or directly for Oilcos operating in the area.
Very true cmakin anybody can hang an open for business sign up and possibly start doing it. Finding out what your potential clients require will be needed. Especially if you plan to do insurance company work. It does not hurt to be a member of those established organizations that you provided which happen to be the most trusted and well known and get certified, it adds to our credibility and can further our position in the marketplace.
If anyone of us wants to or are thinking about getting into the marine / boat survey niche marketplace the more credentials you have the better chance you have on landing the work order. When any one of us are looking for additional income generating opportunities as the thread OP started we will need to network, develop relationships, and market ourselves.
Does anybody recommend a good software for marine surveyors? That would be able to handle pre-purchase surveys, insurance surveys, and physical damage surveys?
Just some of the items to consider with your reports would need to be something like this.
http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Sample%20survey%20compare.htm
Or this one which is a 21-page report with no photos. Not only do you need a comprehensive well written typed report but also a high-quality photographic report that is supportive of each other. And we also can not forget to mention verbal communication skills, followup, and customer service skill sets. A top 3% surveyor will always include what’s good on the vessel, not just the deficiencies.
http://stevedmarineconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/New_Vessel_Sample_Inspection_rev1.pdf
Stop using “our” and “us” in your posts, you are so obviously not one of us that is embarrassing.
http://stevedmarineconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/New_Vessel_Sample_Inspection_rev1.pdf
The fact that you suggest that mile wide and inch deep toyboat writer/dilletante proves you know nothing about marine surveying or the marine industry in general.
This is a pretty good article for some basics.
Understanding and Choosing Marine Surveyors
By Paul Grimes December 26, 2014
http://www.boats.com/how-to/understanding-choosing-marine-surveyors/
And another one by the same author - By Paul Grimes January 6, 2015
http://www.boats.com/boat-sellers-guide/understanding-boat-surveys/
[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;190595]This is a pretty good article for some basics.
Understanding and Choosing Marine Surveyors
By Paul Grimes December 26, 2014
http://www.boats.com/how-to/understanding-choosing-marine-surveyors/
And another one by the same author - By Paul Grimes January 6, 2015
http://www.boats.com/boat-sellers-guide/understanding-boat-surveys/[/QUOTE]
You prove with every post in this thread alone, how ignorant you are regarding what may be required of a marine Surveyor. Steamer hit it right on the head. I have been working as a Surveyor or Surveyor/Adjuster for nearly 30 years and I know the good ones and I know the con artists. . . AND as Steamer states, there is no real licensing to be one. Largely, we get by on our reputations. So tell me, just how many condition, on hire/off hire, damage, Trip in Tow, lifting, load out, cargo securing or even regulatory, Class and/or statutory surveys have you EVER done? How many reports have you ever written to Underwriters, owners or other clients, with or without a template? You contribute nothing useful to this forum, not even entertainment. . .
Would a couple of cans work for DSD!
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[QUOTE=cmakin;190599]You prove with every post in this thread alone, how ignorant you are regarding what may be required of a marine Surveyor. Steamer hit it right on the head. I have been working as a Surveyor or Surveyor/Adjuster for nearly 30 years and I know the good ones and I know the con artists. . . AND as Steamer states, there is no real licensing to be one. Largely, we get by on our reputations. So tell me, just how many condition, on hire/off hire, damage, Trip in Tow, lifting, load out, cargo securing or even regulatory, Class and/or statutory surveys have you EVER done? How many reports have you ever written to Underwriters, owners or other clients, with or without a template? You contribute nothing useful to this forum, not even entertainment. . .[/QUOTE]
Congrats on your 30 years of surveyor experience cmakin. Being part of these organizations is still and always will be a good thing. Networking with others that are in the business just might help a new surveyor as you and I have already stated in previous posts, for the people looking to make a few bucks doing it part time as the thread was about. Just because you have not become a member does not make the organization’s something not to look at. I am confident you do a great job, and you have a great reputation. Keep up the great work I am sure your clients appreciate it.
[QUOTE=DeepSeaDiver;190603]Congrats on your 30 years of surveyor experience cmakin. Being part of these organizations is still and always will be a good thing. Networking with others that are in the business just might help a new surveyor as you and I have already stated in previous posts, for the people looking to make a few bucks doing it part time as the thread was about. Just because you have not become a member does not make the organization’s something not to look at. I am confident you do a great job, and you have a great reputation. Keep up the great work I am sure your clients appreciate it.[/QUOTE]
You offer noting to this forum that we don’t already know. Go away.
truck driving! why has nobody mentioned driving truck?
WATCH: Truck FAILS at Backing Onto Barge
September 21, 2016 by Mike Schuler
Three questions come to mind after watching this:
- Why didn’t they tie the barge off?
- Why is nobody reacting?
- Why does the title translate to “Obama again makes sabotage”?
I have the answers here
- because they are DRUNKEN Rooshins
- because they are STOOPID Rooshins
- because they are ASSHOLE Rooshins
now how many minutes will it take before we discover that DSD is an expert on truckdriving and Rooshins by offering us his infinite wisdom?