Well they renamed some thing named after confederate soldiers, who were traitors to the U.S. and killed U.S. troops.
I mean if you want a USNS John Walker, petition congress…
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I do. Biden’s administration and his abjectly culpable surrender.
You don’t care about dead soldiers so long as you can blame someone convenient. Disgusting disrespect.
Tired? But true. And you can’t handle the truth.
It seems a troll is any Trump supporter. Like racists are easy to define because they always the ones forever talking about race, troll are those forever talking about trolls.
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What are you inferring? I was in the military when they tried Walker. In Guam actually. Kind of a dick thing to say…
Looks like Sec. of Defense Hegseth decided to rename the Milk in order to get more people talking about the gay community in honor of Gay Pride month. It is working!
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It has been the policy on the US to honor the commitments made by prior administrations on foreign policy issues - to appear consistent and to continue to re-enforce our word and commitments can be trusted.
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Had been, was … has been kind of describes what the USA is rapidly becoming.
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Understood. Not exactly the context in which I made that sarcastic remark.
But it can’t have been the policy nor commitment of Trump to finally flee Afghanistan in such a disgraceful exhibition of military and diplomatic incompetence. No succeeding administration has to unnecessarily sacrifice a few of its own servicemen overseas because of that policy to depart the country.
That final, humiliating rout of US power and influence was entirely the responsibility of the new administration and the armed forces in particular. They chose the way they would depart and they will wear the shame forever.
Those servicemen didn’t have to die. Your nation’s reputation didn’t have to die the way it did. Are you proud of the people who organised this disaster? Military colleges worldwide will study and debate that debacle for decades to come as an example par excellence of how not to do it.
It is the height of ignorance to imply it was all Trump’s fault because he decided some time well beforehand to pull out. Yes, he decided, but to pull out properly.
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It seems to be very consistent that the Trump supporters base >90% of their arguments on the actions of Obama and Biden, not on the 1st term “actions” of Trump or his many outrageous and illegal actions already in this term.
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That’s because the ‘base’ of Trump’s support are not for anything they are against almost everything. Except kleptocracy apparently.
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Do they study the 1983 Beirut Barrack bombing? 207 U.S. marines were killed then, in a war that had nothing to do with the USA.
Reagan decided to send Marines as peacekeepers into Lebanon even though his advisors tried to discourage him. There was an intelligence warning of an impending attack on the marines. It was wasted. Rules of engagement prevented marines on guard from shooting the truck bomber that blew up the barracks and killed 207 marines.
Afterwards, Reagan pledged retaliation but in reality he had all US forces hurriedly withdrawn from Lebanon after the fact. He handily won reelection.
You could say all this about it too…
…but while it was a tragedy, most Americans, and most people around the world, have forgotten it happened. Except for the survivors of the bombing who still bear injuries from the attack, and their families. Reagan’s reputation went unchanged.
Objectively, the incident did nothing to change the reputation of America in the world, or that of its military, except perhaps in the eyes of our opponents, the more desperate of which began to believe that if you drew American blood, America would retreat.
The same sort of thing occurred 10 years later in Somalia. Presidents GHW Bush and Clinton deployed increasing military force as security for UN relief efforts. Things went sideways and led to the Battle of Mogadishu. American forces distinguished themselves fighting against armed hordes. Nevertheless, 18 Americans were killed, as well as several hundred non-combatants, and the US quickly withdrew forces afterwards.
At the time blame was placed on Clinton for unnecessarily placing American solders in harms way, and for allowing the Somali warlords to go unpunished. Eight years later a hit movie was made (Black Hawk Down), and that’s all most people remember of our involvement in Somalia. Excepting of course the survivors of the battle who still bear injuries from the attack, and their families. Clinton won reelection handily in 1996.
What Biden did was unlike what Reagan and Clinton did. Following an agreement signed-off by his predecessor he actually tried to get military forces out of harms way before some catastrophe occurred. It backfired. Take whatever lesson from that you wish.
Reagan, Clinton, and Biden all immediately took responsibility for what occurred. Unlike Cheeto jesus who never takes responsibility for anything.
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You made an argument that the withdrawal from Afghanistan would have an outsized effect on American history/world perception.
I disagreed, noting similar occurrences were largely forgotten in less than a generation. And then I gave concrete examples, with background.
You give emotion. I give historical facts. You do you.
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Wrong. The defeat of America, in Afghanistan is what did it. It couldn’t have been worse.
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Just like the Soviet Union. Who could see that coming?
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and the British Empire.
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The lesson is simple:
Stay out of wars if you can.
If you must go to war, do whatever it takes to quickly and decisively win.
Make it unthinkable to attack you again.
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Oh man, do you guys remember when there was a post about renaming the Harvey Milk?
Good times. Those were the days.
So, just for refefence is it an official requirement that all posts must eventually become some sad boomer with more hair growing from his ears than his head going on and on about Donald Trump? Or is that just tradition?
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In the usual maritime industry sense, “that’s just the way we’ve always done it” so it won’t be changing any time soon.
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After reading your posts I thought it was about gays and pedophilia.
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