Has anyone reinstated (out of continuity) their USCG 3rd mate OICNW oceans unlimited and know exactly what is meant by needing to do all your STCW? I’ve tried the NMC checklist https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/checklists/mcp_fm_nmc5_200_web.pdf and I think that’s the right info (Adv FF / Basic Safety / Fast rescue) but no mention (that I can find) of “continuity” also NO mention of Radar/ECDIS…
Also having been shoreside past 10 years, is that it just refresher courses for STCW and no need for new seatime? No fun stuff like cel nav?
Depends on what you had and when you went to continuity. With OICNW in continuity since about 2010, you likely need Leadership and Teamwork Skills, Basic Training REFRESHER ( not revalidation) Advanced Firefighting REFRESHER, Proficiency in Survival Craft REFRESHER and Radar Observer Renewal. Also repeat the tankerman course if you had that and want it back, same for Fast Rescue Boat.
You don’t need more sea time, but you will need to complete an open book, at home test.
ECDIS and ARPA are one time. If you had them before you are good. If not, and if you want STCW valid for them, you need the courses.
Thanks for the info! I’ve found the course and about to sign up, but did they really have to have them all start with R (renewal, revalidation, refresher)? The schools are a bit confusing but from what I gather, it is always a 3 full day course, which include the 3 refreshers you mention, as well as “personal safety and responsibility”…
Anyway I didn’t realize the STCW 2010 changes and reqs as that came into effect basically when I stopped sailing. ECDIS, ARPA, and BRM I had already taken before going into continuity, so it’s just the 8 hour Leadership and Teamwork (operational not managerial) that I have to take on top besides radar. Any idea what that entails? The course descriptions are lacking and the CFR states “Standard of competence in leadership and teamworking skill”
Since you were in continuity, you don’t have one year of service in the past 5, so you would need REFRESHER courses for STCW, revalidation is for those who have the one year. For radar, you can take either recertification or refresher courses, recertification are shorter (one day or less).
Leadership and Teamworking Skill can either be a course, or assessments on a vessel. You probably need the course (“meet the standard of competence” generally means assessment). If you are going to take a course, look at the “Leadership and Managerial Skill” course. This meets the requirement for Chief Mate and Master, but will also meet the requirement for STCW officer in charge of a navigational watch. If you take the higher level course, you won’t need to take it if you upgrade to Master or Chief Mate.
For the assessment alternative for Leadership and Teamworking Skills, it’s assessments nos. 18.1.A to 18.5.A on Enclosure 2 of NVIC 12-14.
Similar question but for my III/2. Mine has been in continuity since 2015. I know how to do the national side, but for the STCW I have been confused trying to decipher assessment vs. training in the CFRs. So if I understand your post above, the the below classes are in lieu of assessments? As in no assessments needed?
Engine Resource Management (ERM)
Leadership and Managerial Skills
Management of Electrical and Electronic Control Equipment
In your case, restoring STCW for Chief Engineer, the requirement is to take courses. Assessments are not an alternative.
If the CFR specifies approved traiing or approved courses, the only option is a course. If the CFR specifies meeting or demonstrating the standard of competence, it could be assessments on a vessel, or a course whose approval includes meeting specific assessments. In the latter, the requirement is assessment, but a course could be the venue for doing the assessment.