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[QUOTE=MassCap;149284]Shane Guidry did what he had to to get all the “best” people working at HGIM. Now that he has all the “best” why would he continue to pay them outrageous amounts of money. It helps him that he knows that companies like Chouest will not take people back that left for the money, so a lot of people that work at HGIM are stuck there with not many places to go, if any.

If people thought that full paid travel and, from what I have heard, $1400/day as a master and $435 as an ab was going to last on an OSV, your crazy.

Not too mention there has been talk that HGIM wants to go public on the stock market so that would mean pay would go down anyways. The Shareholders get what the shareholders want at the employee expense.[/QUOTE]

I have been saying this same thing for the last year. How was a company with Shane Guidry at the helm going to attract all of these qualified people without big pay? His management style (I.e. Sending emails to encourage ratting out coworkers) doesn’t attract lots of qualified people.

HGIM may have Wall Street money behind them but that doesn’t make them invincible. Investors want a return on their money and if it doesn’t meet their wants they’ll pull it and go elsewhere. I think HGiM’s growth by acquisition and amount of growth in a short time period will ultimately harm them more than it helped. The BeeMar and GOL boats were nothing to write home about and are not true DeepWater workhorses. I would have continued building at Eastern (and other yards) and at least have a fleet of nicely designed and built vessels. Plus, they could have accommodated the growth better.

I’ve said it a few dozen times; hard times come joe boss will cry, and shareholders will say hold the fuck up… “You pay a boat driver WHAT???”

To add to the sh!t pot, the horse god is demoting the mates in training to ABs and is also cutting their pay to the AB range. Stay tuned this is just the beginning…

Times is getting bad the layoffs and paycuts are already increasing the crime rate on da bayou…

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;149313]Times is getting bad the layoffs and paycuts are already increasing the crime rate on da bayou…

http://youtu.be/8m1udqn7g3U[/QUOTE]

That’s the same store GulfMark uses for groceries. Guess we won’t be getting any boudin this next delivery.

[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;149319]That’s the same store GulfMark uses for groceries. Guess we won’t be getting any boudin this next delivery.[/QUOTE]

Hell…jes be lookin for the guy wit no teeth sellin dem outta da back of a pickup an you’ll fine yure boo-dane

Well if it is true I sure feel bad for them guys and I hope the pay cut is not to extreme!! I know a couple of really good Mariners that left their companies for Harvey’s big money and it would sure be a shame to see that move back fire for them!

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;149313]Times is getting bad the layoffs and paycuts are already increasing the crime rate on da bayou…

http://youtu.be/8m1udqn7g3U[/QUOTE]

I know that guy. He use to work for ECO on the Stim Star 2

My favorite thing about Shane’s email is how he asked us for input and ideas on saving the company money. Well he received an influx of recommendations which obviously struck a nerve. The last email he sent was defensive basically saying he’s done everything we’d reccomended already. So what he was really doing was making everyone think he actually cared before doing what he’s already decided anyways. The majority of us ex GOL guys saw the writing on the wall. There’s no way you can run a company like this with the amount of frivolous spending that’s been going on and survive. I do hope Shane realizes that the only thing that keeps the better employees here is the pay. Cut the pay to be on par with other companies and I bet personnel departments everywhere won’t have to look hard for qualified people.

[QUOTE=CaptB;149350]I do hope Shane realizes that the only thing that keeps the better employees here is the pay. Cut the pay to be on par with other companies and I bet personnel departments everywhere won’t have to look hard for qualified people.[/QUOTE]

except that no one else is looking for people now…this ain’t two years ago anymore

I also think all the OMSA mafia members are in on this one…they likely had a secret meeting and drew straws to see which Boss would wear the Black Hat. Once that first domino falls, I predict the others will topple quite quickly as well. Money will be getting tight as charter rates start to get trimmed…the owners won’t take losses to keep the boat scum whole especially when so few of them are able to leave the GoM. Captive workforces are easy to control and I have been saying it for many a year now that the Joe Bosses of the Bayoo have done everything they can to create a workforce that is chained to the offshore.

Seriously, how many OSV mariners can go anywhere else? 20% tops!

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‘‘Seriously, how many OSV mariners can go anywhere else? 20% tops!’’

I don’t understand why you say that. If they have the credentials they can go elsewhere.

There are a lot of guys who have tug experience and could make the transition back if it came to that. Other than that where else will this captive workforce go? Will we go to MSC and work 180/60 for half the pay. If there was 50% paycut I’d rather work even time close to home than that. What’s left? Deep sea? Not enough work there but Joe Union Boss would take my money for his representation anyway. Drill ships? There will be an excess of disenfranchised unlimited Mariners when the ships are recrewed with cheaper foreign labor. So where are all these other jobs at? How come tug people aren’t captive? Can a tug guy go work on an MSC ship? Could they go get a job on a drill ship? Can ferry people go straight to work on a oil tanker?

[QUOTE=dncartersweatte1993;149355]’‘Seriously, how many OSV mariners can go anywhere else? 20% tops!’’

I don’t understand why you say that. If they have the credentials they can go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

CC might be off on his figures, but the rationale is logical…

No MOT endorsement or TOAR… hard pressed as mate to get a job there. I’m sure there are a lot of OSV mates who do have it, but I’m sure there are a lot who don’t, seeing as that endorsement is not that old in the grand scheme of things.

Shipping and MSC… no unlimited MMC (licensed or unlicensed), no job. And that says nothing of competing as a newbie against the members of MMP, AMHo, MEBA, SIU, SUP, and MFOW. (How long can anyone afford to pay hotel bills, food, etc., waiting for a job when your last paycheck was 2,3,4, months ago?)

No plethora of MSC classes (small arms, FPO, CBRD, Helo FF, etc.) , forget about a union job ( ALL ratings) on an MSC or MARAD contract. That alone eliminates at least 20 ships with manning much higher than COI (number is probably closer to 35) .
No Tankerman PIC (certainly not common in the GOM OSV world), you can forget getting a job as a mate at POLAR, ATC, and OSG, as well as any union tanker.
Getting a job with MSC (even when they are hiring) is unpredictable. And if you do get a job, you might as well move to Norfolk or San Diego, because that is where you will be spending a lot of time during and/or before assignment.

Drilling… same thing for unlimited MMC, never mind the fact that their HR hiring process is most often pointless w/o a referral or you just get lucky enough to apply or call on the day the planets are in a once in a 1000 years alignment. They really don’t do walk-ins.

Things certainly don’t look pretty. Atwood and Vantage have pushed back a total of 4 MODUs due for 2015/2016 delivery by at least 6 mos, GM and HOS stocks are plummeting (as well as the deep water driller’s stocks).

I don’t know about the status of other company’s utilization, but GM already has 2 or 3 boats off charter in Fourchon, 1 more in Amelia, another in Amelia coming out of stretch job in a month with no charter, and 2 more due for delivery soon soon with no charter.

The sky may not be falling, but day rates and stability sure as hell are.

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[QUOTE=CaptB;149350]My favorite thing about Shane’s email is how he asked us for input and ideas on saving the company money. Well he received an influx of recommendations which obviously struck a nerve. The last email he sent was defensive basically saying he’s done everything we’d reccomended already. So what he was really doing was making everyone think he actually cared before doing what he’s already decided anyways. The majority of us ex GOL guys saw the writing on the wall. There’s no way you can run a company like this with the amount of frivolous spending that’s been going on and survive. I do hope Shane realizes that the only thing that keeps the better employees here is the pay. Cut the pay to be on par with other companies and I bet personnel departments everywhere won’t have to look hard for qualified people.[/QUOTE]

One thing that certainly doesn’t save money is sending guys to STCW classes required no earlier than 12/31/2016, paying the tuition, hotel, flights, rental car, and possibly day rate (not sure about the last one, but sure of the the ones preceding). Was in LMS class with HGMI mate last month… so much for cutting costs.

Let’s say unlimited license is not a factor. His point as always is we are stupid and can’t work anywhere else. There are a lot of the 40 and above crowd down here with a 1600 MOT. I have no doubt they could get back in the saddle after a short training period. My point was there are really no other places to work even during good times. Would it not be fair to say the majority of Mariners work on tugs or OSV’s? Are there enough deep sea, ferry, laker jobs to support thousands of out of work offshore truck drivers and mud pumpers? Everyone is a captive workforce nowadays.

You’re right, but c.captain is right to some degree too.

I would say any licensed OSV engineer working with diesel electric and/or other fancy systems will have no problem finding work one way or another. (This rules out ccaptain’s guys who don’t know what a variable frequency drive is)

Ab’s with 180 day wonder ab-osv, they’ll be sailing OS elsewhere. The ab talent on tugs is low I feel besides the licensed guys trying to get one wheelhouse. No big deal there either. Some experienced career ab’s but fewer and father between It seems.

My take is there just aren’t tons of tug wheelhouse jobs out there…especially for guys without recency or that have been out of the game for a while. While a lot of guys left for the gory of the gulf, a lot of us stayed put too. Turnovers been low. Very few places will throw a towing license into a watch standing job without recent experience. Not so much training as its an exclusive culture, believe me, there are places I’d love to be allowed in but I’m just not a chosen one either.

Can’t comment on deep sea, but Johnny seems to have that covered.

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;149365]Let’s say unlimited license is not a factor. His point as always is we are stupid and can’t work anywhere else. There are a lot of the 40 and above crowd down here with a 1600 MOT. I have no doubt they could get back in the saddle after a short training period. My point was there are really no other places to work even during good times. Would it not be fair to say the majority of Mariners work on tugs or OSV’s? Are there enough deep sea, ferry, laker jobs to support thousands of out of work offshore truck drivers and mud pumpers? Everyone is a captive workforce nowadays.[/QUOTE]

Fraq, I don’t think he was meaning to be that abrasive. I could be wrong.
Taking tonnage out of the equation, to answer your next to last sentence, certainly not. However, I do not agree that if the shit hits the fan (in any maritime sector), all are a captive audience. Licensed engineers (especially with a PE cert/qual) will have a decent paying job in all but the WORST of job markets. I just don’t see the same ever-present marketability for mates and the unlicensed. If I could have handled the higher math classes, I would not have taken the deck route.

As far as the industry segment with most MMCs, not sure. Given rapid expansion of OSVs and ATBs, certainly possible. Not too long ago, MSC was the single largest employer of USCG credentialed mariners, and I’m not sure that has changed. They have a large fleet, but more importantly, they are well in excess of COI manning.

I mean people with master large OSV licenses…in the real world you are a 1600/3000grt officer (unless you BS the USCG to give you that Holy Grail UL master’s ticket) The reality that for under UL, the jobs are mainly towing which requires a TOAR plus if you live in the south, are you that keen to go to New England to be an AB on deck on some tug working in the cold winter winds until you get your assessments signed off and then maybe, just maybe, get a mate’s job? Remember, you’re competing with career towing mariners who live in the NE for those wheelhouse jobs. They ain’t gonna take kindly to some Johnny Reb invading their turf!

Wanna go to Alaska? Didn’t think so!

Forget deepsea even if you have that grandiose UL license, you are still just an applicant in a union living on scraps. Plus you compete with the whole pack of academy grads every spring for the available work. Drillships ain’t hiring anymore either so forget that route. MSC requires training, training and more training to be gone for four to six months at a stretch. Enjoy that!

Now, if you’re an engineer, you will obviously have more options which shows how smart you were to stay in the dungeon with the mushrooms…

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If times get bad I’m just gonna knock off boudin stores like Nonk Chauz. In the surveillance footage he had a great idea of cutting people’s barbed wire fences and stealing their chickens. I’m close to my fly swatter black belt so I’m all set.

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;149383]I’m close to my fly swatter black belt so I’m all set.[/QUOTE]

if that’s the case, you’ll always have a position on the c.captain C(minus) Team!

I am of course Hannibal and you are obviously Murdock. Now I just need my Face and my B.A. We’re accepting applications from the rest of you’se mugs but only if you have a current headshot!

Yes, or a 500GRT/3000gt