Yes, but can do do your observer time before completing that 180 days. The checklist doesn’t say.
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;65939]Yes, but can do do your observer time before completing that 180 days. The checklist doesn’t say.[/QUOTE]
I guess this would best be answered by the company you are working for that has a large OSV program. Doesn’t seem to me that they would put you in the program as a training captain if you needed to accumulate more time before you could actually recieve the large OSV endorsement.
I am guessing as a training captain you may be a supernumary, because your license that allows you to work on something up to 3000 ITC would not be good enough to function as OICNW aboard a vessel over 3000? Just speculating …
At Chouest, unless it has recently changed, the first
28 days are familiarization. The remaining 56 are to get the assessments signed off.
Every company has their own unique program and there may be nuances between companies. I think the Coast Guard only requires 56 days, the additional 28 are just part of Chouest’s program.
HOS has something similar to this as well
[QUOTE=Azimuth;65997]At Chouest, unless it has recently changed, the first
28 days are familiarization. The remaining 56 are to get the assessments signed off.
Every company has their own unique program and there may be nuances between companies. I think the Coast Guard only requires 56 days, the additional 28 are just part of Chouest’s program.[/QUOTE]
My understanding of ECO’s program is that you do 56 days, and then ( & only then) you receive the assessment book. When you receive the book you have another 28 days on board to complete the assessments. So, a total of 84 days. Thats the way it was explained to me, and how I completed the program. It is interesting that the REC check list clearly requires only 56 days.
[QUOTE=Flyer69;65945]I guess this would best be answered by the company you are working for that has a large OSV program. Doesn’t seem to me that they would put you in the program as a training captain if you needed to accumulate more time before you could actually recieve the large OSV endorsement.
I am guessing as a training captain you may be a supernumary, because your license that allows you to work on something up to 3000 ITC would not be good enough to function as OICNW aboard a vessel over 3000? Just speculating …[/QUOTE]
Perhaps on a proper (IMO) crew list supernumary would be most correct, but here in the GOM I was listed as Mate on the vessel’s logs, training record sheets etc. You are correct in that the trainee with a 1600/3000 license is not qualified to serve as a OICNW.
OK, was out of the loop for a few days… Thanks for not flaming me.
Let’s leave the evaluators out of the equation for now and I don’t have time to look at the CFR’s real close right now because we are fixing to go under the crane.
2 big points that were not mentioned to make it much easier and if I missed them in this thread, I apologize now:
- The 6,000 osv endorsement MUST be an approved program. Therefore, if you follow the the program to the latter, you should not have a problem as ANCHORMAN stated.
- The 6,000 osv endorsement is only valid in the areas specified in the CFR (that means domestic waters ONLY) designated by the US government as “oilfield”. Consequently, legally, the osv endorsement is only legal on an osv and in those areas or on a vessel beginning its voyage in a oilfield designated area and ending in one.
For example; if you leave the GOM headed to the Northeast and there is a designated area in the NE, say Mass. Bay you could make the voyage. However, if you were going to Chesapeake Bay and there is no designated area there, you would be running illegally. To run on an osv license you have to be running it as an osv AND in a designated area which is why I have shied away from osv licenses because they restrict me and I can not stand restrictions which is why am working towards my Unlimited Master, god willing and the creek don’t rise.
Luckily the USCG does not look at the section of the CFR designating areas so if you get boarded and they see you have an osv license and are on an osv, unless you get boarded by a super-genius inspector or Boarding Officer, you should be able to slide through. The main thing is treat them with respect in some cases to the point of obsequiousness with some of them because they have something to make up for (i.e. they have BIG 4WD Drives, fast cars or big guns to make up for their small…) and feed on people bowing and scraping. But remember, most of them are just like us trying to make heads or tails of the CFR’s and helping keep us safe and/or saving lives. That’s why most of join in the first place.
I will be off starting next week for my normal time off and a little longer for surgery. I will dig into the CFR’s a little and see if I can find the exact section that deals with this stuff. If I don’t post after 13 April you will know something went horribly wrong. Stay safe!
Maybe somebody else has time before I get home and can prove me partially wrong. A new shiny dollar coin but I am the judge since I have to pay shipping in addition to being wrong.
SEMPER PARANOIA!
id really be curious to where the osv license allows you to run.
[QUOTE=seajbee;65611]Right now I hold Assistant Limited Oceans, Any HP. As you all probably know, this license is valid for vessels up 1600GRT and 3000ITC. Is this enough for most (or any) OSV’s? I hear of 6000ITC endorsements, are there any disadvantages to this? Or Chief OSV?[/QUOTE]
But remember, an endorsement as AE ltd does NOT allow you to serve as CE OSV. You wouldalso need a CE OSV endorsement on your MMC/license. Otherwise you could only sail as Asst Eng OSV nmt 3000 GT (and not too many slots exist for AE’s on most OSV’s :)). Now if you also hold a DDE endorsement, that would give you authority as CE OSV nmt 3000 GT.
Take a look at NMC policy letter 7-00 and 46 CFR 15.915 for the options for service under engineer endorsements on OSV’s and other limited tonnage vessels.
Richard
And you can’t get a chief osv 6000 without working on them as chief for a period of time.
[QUOTE=BMCSRetired;66224]OK, was out of the loop for a few days… Thanks for not flaming me.
- The 6,000 osv endorsement is only valid in the areas specified in the CFR (that means domestic waters ONLY) designated by the US government as “oilfield”. Consequently, legally, the osv endorsement is only legal on an osv and in those areas or on a vessel beginning its voyage in a oilfield designated area and ending in one.
For example; if you leave the GOM headed to the Northeast and there is a designated area in the NE, say Mass. Bay you could make the voyage. However, if you were going to Chesapeake Bay and there is no designated area there, you would be running illegally. To run on an osv license you have to be running it as an osv AND in a designated area which is why I have shied away from osv licenses because they restrict me and I can not stand restrictions which is why am working towards my Unlimited Master, god willing and the creek don’t rise.
Luckily the USCG does not look at the section of the CFR designating areas so if you get boarded and they see you have an osv license and are on an osv, unless you get boarded by a super-genius inspector or Boarding Officer, you should be able to slide through. The main thing is treat them with respect in some cases to the point of obsequiousness with some of them because they have something to make up for (i.e. they have BIG 4WD Drives, fast cars or big guns to make up for their small…) and feed on people bowing and scraping. But remember, most of them are just like us trying to make heads or tails of the CFR’s and helping keep us safe and/or saving lives. That’s why most of join in the first place.
I will be off starting next week for my normal time off and a little longer for surgery. I will dig into the CFR’s a little and see if I can find the exact section that deals with this stuff. If I don’t post after 13 April you will know something went horribly wrong. Stay safe!
SEMPER PARANOIA![/QUOTE]
I would be very interested on where you derived this information.
Contrary to popular belief Subchapter L has nothing to with the oilfield, mud tanks or any other such nonsense. Of course the Oilfield being the single largest user.
The definition of an OSV is as quoted from the USCG OSV “L” 840 Companion Book:
“Propelled by machinery other than steam; does not meet the definition of a Passenger vessel; is more than 15 GT, but less than 500 GT (as measured under the standard , dual or simplified measurement system) or is less than 6,000GT (as measured under the convention measurement system) ;regularly carries goods, supplies, individuals in addition to the crew, or equipment in support of exploration, exploitation, or production of offshore mineral or energy resources. (46CFR 125.160) In general, SOLAS applies to all vessels of 500GT or more on an international voyage (unless expressed otherwise). (SOLAS 04 Cons, Ch I/1 &3)”
Note the references to offshore minerals AND energy, so basically an OSV can be almost anything, in support of almost anything, and go almost anywhere. There are many OSV’s working overseas and this is perfectly acceptable as long as the flag state recognizes the class. If a boat is classed Subchapter L and you hold a license Legal for Subchapter L vessels you are Legal within the scope of your license be it Oceans or Near Coastal.
[QUOTE=Azimuth;65997]At Chouest, unless it has recently changed, the first
28 days are familiarization. The remaining 56 are to get the assessments signed off.
Every company has their own unique program and there may be nuances between companies. I think the Coast Guard only requires 56 days, the additional 28 are just part of Chouest’s program.[/QUOTE]
The CG in its infinite wisdom has granted me assessor status for this illustrious program. The requirements are as follows in this order:
- Hold a license of Mate OSV, Master OSV, Mate 1600, Master 1600. (Note: 500 ton Master endorsed for OSV’s will not suffice; however, you can get your 180 days of seasoning)
- Sail on said license on an OSV of between 1000GT and 3000GT for 180 days.
- Serve 56 days of training and observation on an OSV of Greater than 3000 GT as a supernumerary.
- Serve a 28 day assessment period as supernumerary.
- Submit assessments and sea time (sea time letter must list all time in a training capacity) to company.
- Submit assessments, company certificate, and sea time to USCG NMC
- Get 6000 endorsement, go to work.
The CG only requires 56 days for the program. They used to require 84. ECO is maintaining that standard to protect the integrity of their program if the rules were to change again.
And all of this is a total jack of this thread because the guy who started it is an engineer anyway.
To help him:
Once you have Chief OSV Unlimited HP you can do the 6000 assessments and get the 6000. Holding a 6000 OSV does not in any way detract or restrict any licenses you already hold.