How could they even offer basic DP when the NI says you must HOLD a minimum of 200 grt master to take the class. Not be on track for a license, actually hold it prior to taking the first class?
Actually the NI does not say the minimum is 200 grt master. You need any STCW officer license. That is either II/1, II/2, or II/3. One can get a II/3 with a 100 ton or no American license at all.
I am curious what you are basing that on.
From the NI website:
Prospective DPO’s, who are in the process of training for an STCW certificate can start the DP scheme and complete Induction (basic) course and 30 days Familiarisation only. The Simulator (Advanced) course and watchkeeping training can only be completed after they hold an appropriate STCW certificate of competency.
I read that to say prospective DPO’s who are working towards the minimum STCW endorsements required for certification can not only complete the basic course but also the 30 days familiarization.
Each student needs a waiver letter from the NI to enter class without an STCW officer license. The NI is not known for speedy responses to anything…
Where did you get that information?
From the NI themselves. It’s on the website. Changes went into effect January first. You are not supposed to be allowed into intro without an officers license (I was told 100 ton would require a waiver) or a waiver from NI to be determined on a case by case basis.
They only have like 3 girls that process EVERYTHING.
[QUOTE=rigdvr;79547]They only have like 3 girls that process EVERYTHING.[/QUOTE]
It’s easy for Kings Point to work with the NI to get an approved basic course their students. Again according to their own webiste " in the process of training for an STCW certificate can start the DP scheme and complete Induction (basic) course and 30 days Familiarisation only." This would meet the basic requirements. Students could take the class, and if KP had an actual DP2 or DP3 vessel get the 30 days of familiarization. Then upon graduation meet the min requirements to be able to get a job on a drillship or support vessel.
I was asking where in their own literature or website does it say that. From everything I have read you can take the basic course and do the 30 days familiarization so long as you are in training for the appropriate STCW CoC. I did not see anywhere that it required a waiver.
[QUOTE=cmjeff;79475]K-berg Compact is not DP, it’s joystick assist.
Pulling into port on k-pos is like visiting an expensive hooker, you just sit back and enjoy the show. K-Compact is like a glory hole you pull it out, cover your eyes as you slip her in then, once finished, you wish had done in hand steering ;)[/QUOTE]
missing my sarcasm
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;79478]It is DP-0 so even if KP offered the classes the sea time won’t count for anything. Besides, could the cadets possibly get enough time underway on DP to actually get a certificate? Thats 210 days on DP…[/QUOTE]
missing my sarcasm. However, the point being if the vessel was actually DP2 or DP3, and if and big if, KP offered the basic class for students. Then students could get their 30 day familiarization and then actually have a leg up on getting a job in the offshore industry.
If KP wants to be the best maritime training facility in the world and be on the leading edge of this stuff, these are the things it should be looking at doing.
[QUOTE=justaboatdriver;79497]IMO giving them 3rd mate unlimited upon graduation is plenty. Give them TOAR and DP then the working man (hawsepiper) will never stand a chance in the market. I’m sorry that’s just how I feel about things. The new vessel will let em get there peckers wet so there not clueless. That’s all good as far as I’m concerned. Just don’t agree with a certificate saying they are a master of the craft.[/QUOTE]
You do realize you’d be looking at like maybe 5 kids a year with a TOAR and maybe 5 with a DP training. Nothing that would kill hawespipers. Go to let it go.
It could be DP1 as well, but in any case it would also need to have a DP class notation to meet the NI requirements.
[QUOTE=dredgeboater;79553]It could be DP1 as well, but in any case it would also need to have a DP class notation to meet the NI requirements.[/QUOTE]
My point is if you are going to offer it, might as well make it DP2 or DP3. The biggest thing is creating a program where students can graduate and become a junior DPO.
However, there are problems, as KP needs DPO operators to operate the vessel and sign off on the students.
[QUOTE=dredgeboater;79553]It could be DP1 as well, but in any case it would also need to have a DP class notation to meet the NI requirements.[/QUOTE]
It does have a Class notation for DP; DPS-0
True indeed!
[QUOTE=cmakin;79559]It does have a Class notation for DP; DPS-0
It’s really meaningless when it comes to DP training, real DP training, especially if the attitude is to train students for the offshore industry.
DP-0 is not recognized by the NI, it must be at least DP-1.
DP-1 would only get them a DP Limited.
You should be able to get STCW II/3 around the dane time as a 100 ton. Other than that you do not get any STCW license until 500 ton.