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Only if it doesnât involve sailing around a continent so as to arrive at the next scheduled departure port in time for the next load of idiots.
I see you enjoy jousting Bug, find another field to play in. Iâm not going to bother anymore.
Huawei. Full Huawei. Donât make me show you my King Fu TikTok!
Chinese learned well from the opium wars.
Make a device that people are addicted to and also sell the the stuff that gets them hooked.
Huawei + TikTok.
DoD and Federal folks arenât supposed to use TikTok. Pentagon told their employees to have their family members uninstall TikTok. Good luck with trying to get a teenager off of that platform.
Foxconn, Apple, suicide nets on buildings, profits. Itâs a nice cocktail of Capitalism.
Remember, itâs just the Flu bro.
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What you quoted from my comment was option 1 which involved going by the book & listening to your superiors. Option 1 would probably result in dead crew. Option 2 would involve something like putting the nearly dying crew on life boats & letting them be rescued by USCG to be taken to the hospital & maybe the captain going to jail. Thereâs hardly any right answers in no-win situations. Just people doing the best they can with what they got in shitty situations.
Captain Crozier would have faced a shit storm, lost his career & might of went to the brig if any of his crew died because he was following orders. Unfortunately, cruise ship companies really donât care if a bunch of Filipinos & other nameless 3rd world penny earners die because a captain of a cruise ship followed the guidelines. The contracts the 3rd world penny earners signed are strong enough to withstand any lawsuits from the nations that they came from & the captain & cruise ship operator would just blame the USA & be done with it. The cruise ship captains will come through just fine as long as the follow the company line because the company, stock holders & passengers donât care about the 3rd world sailors.
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Uhmmm⌠Well, this is a thread about a US Navy Captain, on a US aircraft carrier who was fired by the acting US Secretary of the Navy because he sacrificed his career to help out his US crew. Itâs all over the US media. I think maybe youâre in the wrong room. Go two doors down on the left.
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Ohh, Senior moment. This was meant for a different thread.
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Those will happen to all of us if we are lucky.
Now transferred to the appropriate thread (No Bailout for Major Cruise Lines)
If we are lucky.
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Stay indoors, or keep your (anti) Social distance when not
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Full audio of the SecNav:
Sure, when all is done and dusted, itâll be known as the Huawei Flu. Look, thereâs proof:
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/corona-virus-fakery-and-the-link-to-5g-testing/
This guy also has a highly analytical take on the issue:
(seriously, be careful with that stuff, lest you end up like the people in the comments)
EDIT: For a moment I thought I coined a phrase there, but of course itâs already a thing on 4chan.
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2 posts were split to a new topic: Acting SECNAV Modly submits his resignation
Fair enough. At the end of the day though, he might have done the morally correct thing, but it broke the rules
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CAPT. Crozier knew full well he was throwing away his career.
An analogy: In boot camp we had a class on illegal orders, and the first-class teaching it told us âPray to God you never get an illegal order, because at that point no matter what else happens you personally are fucked.â
Incidentally, crozier is the Western-Christian name for a bishopâs staff. The Roman Catholic version (probably Anglican too) is hooked to remind the holder that he is a shepherd and must take care of his sheep. I wonder whether CAPT Crozier thought about that.
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After the hearings, Secretary Matthews set about punishing those officers who had testified and were still actively serving in the Navy, in defiance of his own public promise not to do so.[20] Admiral Denfeld (Op-23âs creator) was first to go; he was summarily relieved on Navy Day, October 27, 1949. Matthews explained that he and Denfeld disagreed widely on strategic policy and unification. Matthews then had Vice Admiral William H. P. Blandy reassigned to a rear admiral posting, an assignment below the standing of his rank; he subsequently retired. Vice Admiral Gerald F. Bogan also chose to retire rather than face assignment to a position of lesser authority. Secretary Matthews ordered him to a posting in a rear admiralâs billet the week before he retired, preventing the âtombstoneâ promotion to four stars he would have otherwise received. Op-23 was disbanded but not before the Inspector Generalâs office seized all documents. Captain John G. Crommelin, an outspoken antagonist, continued to openly speak out against the system and the âtrend toward military dictatorship;â he was sent home to Alabama on 15 March 1950 on âextended furloughâ with half pay. In December, an attempt was made by Matthews and Johnson to block the promotion of Captain Burke by lining out his name from the promotion list, but this was seen and reversed by the direct intervention of President Truman.[21]
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Correct.
Burdens of those Eagles on the shoulder.
Iâm surprised that people are surprised and overwhelmed by tragedy and misfortune. Just look at the normal distribution and know that 68% of us are nothing beyond average. Most of the time if an individual is winning itâs at the cost of many others losing. Go look at the folks in India born into poverty and the choices they had in life vs someone like Warren Buffett who basically can do no wrong with any choice he makes and would be on the polar opposite side of the spectrum.
The good Captain got shafted. So what? It means someone else gets command and will get promoted. The history books will favor the winners so in a few years no one is going to care about this guy who lost out and some commencement ceremony will be done by those careers that are uplifted as a result of Crozierâs demise.
Sports, entertainment, finance, etc. All avenues of life is much the same. History is written by winners not whiners.
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For some people the issue is more whatâs the big picture. The way some people see it the last shake-up at the top of the Navy was over the pardon of a convicted war criminal and this is about the firing of a whistle-blower.
Some people have concerns about what this portends for the future. Perhaps Trump supporters have a better grasp of history and better critical thinking skills but some have concerns that might not be the case.
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What is the ideal outcome then and what should the people expect if all were to be well?