[QUOTE=Kraken;182373]And to achieve that you need a robust government that can offer a good education to all the citizens not only the people who can pay their way through life. [/QUOTE]
Well, you got me there! I have to admit I am gonna have to get back to you on that.
[QUOTE=Kraken;182373]And to achieve that you need a robust government that can offer a good education to all the citizens not only the people who can pay their way through life. And the best person to implement the chances is Bernie Sanders he is at least not a complete moron like the rest of the candidates.[/QUOTE]
We have an over-robust government that offers the moon and a vast majority that won’t get off their ass and EARN a practical education. A large percentage get a basket weaving degree and complain about student loans. I only have to look at my kids and older grandkids to see the the “haves and have-nots” and the producers an and non-producers. It sickens me to hear the latter’s excuses.
[QUOTE=cajaya;182371]I think its safe to say that some of my countrymen are probably more sexist than most Americans.[/QUOTE]
Don’t you mean countrywomen?
So wait, what country are you from?
[QUOTE=cajaya;182371]I think it would be fair for an equal tax rate for everybody but people in the bernie camp are not about that.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever heard of the fair tax?
[QUOTE=injunear;182379]We have an over-robust government that offers the moon and a vast majority that won’t get off their ass and EARN a practical education. A large percentage get a basket weaving degree and complain about student loans. I only have to look at my kids and older grandkids to see the the “haves and have-nots” and the producers an and non-producers. It sickens me to hear the latter’s excuses.[/QUOTE]
They are a product of their environment.
[QUOTE=injunear;182379]We have an over-robust government that offers the moon and a vast majority that won’t get off their ass and EARN a practical education. A large percentage get a basket weaving degree and complain about student loans. I only have to look at my kids and older grandkids to see the the “haves and have-nots” and the producers an and non-producers. It sickens me to hear the latter’s excuses.[/QUOTE]
I partially agree with this. I wouldn’t say that absolutely all these Bernie supporters are necessarily poor, but most likely middle class that are upset about spending too much money on liberal arts degrees. The fact is, yes it is too expensive, BUT no one is forcing these people to go to college, OR to get liberal arts degrees. We have this thing called an occupational outlook handbook that the government publishes, anyone can look up the projected salary and job growth for whatever career they choose. I don’t see logically why someone would want to spend or get into debt for hundreds of thousands of dollars for a job that’s going to pay 30 or 40k. Just don’t get it at all.
On the other side of that coin, there’s this:
Big Gap in College Graduation Rates for Rich and Poor, Study Finds
and this
Poor Students Are The Real Victims Of College Discrimination
[QUOTE=cajaya;182378]Well, you got me there! I have to admit I am gonna have to get back to you on that.[/QUOTE]
Well, I have thought a little bit about it. So…some of my answer…what I said above. Maybe some degrees should be free, or less expensive but not all of them. Like ones that our society will actually need. These people are jumping on the Bernie bandwagon because they don’t believe that they themselves will pay anything at all. I don’t believe that for even a moment. I don’t believe that the one percent has enough money to sustain all that he talks about doing. It has already been estimated that the middle class would see a 10% decrease in net income. Basically the only people benefiting without paying more would be the people at the very bottom. Why should people who have struggled to get to where we are have to pay for the people that have no desire to even try? And believe me, I know people like this, who are waiting for someone like Bernie to get elected so they can get their handout, yet refuse to do anything about their situation!! Not even get vocational or job training!! And yes, there are free vocational and job training programs that are funded by the government.
Honestly, I don’t know about the history of the Scandinavian countries or how they came to be socialist but I can’t imagine that they came to be socialist overnight. What bernie sanders talks about doing is very radical. When Francoise Hollande imposed his millionaire tax in France, wealthy people started leaving the country in droves. Some of them sought citizenship in Switzerland and elsewhere. I don’t believe it’s a good idea to talk about huge radical changes like that all at once.
Furthermore, how is it that countries like Switzerland that are not socialist, still have great perks for all their citizens?
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;182380]Don’t you mean countrywomen?
So wait, what country are you from?
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I am really tired of taking the bait from you and that Tugs person. I think its safe to say that I’ve made my decision and you are both going on the ignore list.
[QUOTE=Kraken;182373]And to achieve that you need a robust government that can offer a good education to all the citizens not only the people who can pay their way through life. And the best person to implement the chances is Bernie Sanders he is at least not a complete moron like the rest of the candidates.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=injunear;182379]We have an over-robust government that offers the moon and a vast majority that won’t get off their ass and EARN a practical education. A large percentage get a basket weaving degree and complain about student loans. I only have to look at my kids and older grandkids to see the the “haves and have-nots” and the producers an and non-producers. It sickens me to hear the latter’s excuses.[/QUOTE]
I would be in favor of providing free university to anyone that can get accepted but there would need to be major reform to our current higher education system first. Universities are a money making scam encouraged by the government throwing financial aid at the system discriminately. If there is a dollar amount attached to each student the schools try to accept as many as possible, regardless of if that student has any business in college, and they try to not fail them so they get their money longer (only really a problem at schools where professors don’t have tenure).
The universities would hate the necessary reforms but hopefully they get made sooner rather than later.
[QUOTE=Kraken;182382]They are a product of their environment.[/QUOTE]
They are a product of who they listen to. My kids and grandkids were raised in the same environment. Most have realized the value of hard work and investment. The lower 25% can’t feed their kids without government assistance but can afford to smoke pot, cigarettes, tattoes, and new cars.
[QUOTE=injunear;182386]The lower 25% can’t feed their kids without government assistance but can afford to smoke pot, cigarettes, tattoes, and new cars.[/QUOTE]
And that’s way you need a school system that can teach the next generation not to do the same stupid shit as their parents. Goverment assistence is to help the kids not the parents. Why should the kids be punished for their parents stupid choices?
[QUOTE=Kraken;182388]And that’s way you need a school system that can teach the next generation not to do the same stupid shit as their parents. Goverment assistence is to help the kids not the parents. Why should the kids be punished for their parents stupid choices?[/QUOTE]
No shit…
[QUOTE=injunear;182390]No shit…[/QUOTE]
Im sorry, not trying to be holier than thou.
[QUOTE=Kraken;182391] Im sorry, not trying to be holier than thou.[/QUOTE]
No apology needed. I’m living in the greatest nation on earth. I’ve traveled the world and experienced probably 75% of what the world has to offer. Very few places left where you can sail for 39 years and retire at 55. I’m just sorry I waited until I was 56.
[QUOTE=injunear;182392]Very few places left where you can sail for 39 years and retire at 55. I’m just sorry I waited until I was 56.[/QUOTE]
How is that possible? If you live an average life, you will be retired almost as long as you have worked.
[QUOTE=Kraken;182393]How is that possible? If you live an average life, you will be retired almost as long as you have worked.[/QUOTE]
Make a lot of money so you can save a lot of money. My biggest worry is health care costs retiring before Medicare, especially if my wife is still alive then.
[QUOTE=injunear;182392]No apology needed. I’m living in the greatest nation on earth. I’ve traveled the world and experienced probably 75% of what the world has to offer. Very few places left where you can sail for 39 years and retire at 55. I’m just sorry I waited until I was 56.[/QUOTE]
Which nation may that be?? Several nations are claiming to be “great”, “best”, “richest in the world” and other wonderful titles.
What is the criteria for being great, best, or richest, in your view may not be how others see it.
Don’t believe what the propaganda machine tells you ad nausea.
Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world!
All other countries run by little girls!
One simple and guaranteed way to lower the cost of college in the USA: make student loan debt discharge-able in bankruptcy court. Then the lenders won’t hand out free money.
Oh, and this:
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;182407]Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world!
All other countries run by little girls!
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
No competition.
Det er typisk norsk å være god! - Gro Harlem Brundtland
According to this site, the U.S. HDI is 8. Maybe it has something to do with the gender inequality index being 55, more than double that of any of the other developed countries.
[QUOTE=cajaya;182420]According to this site, the U.S. HDI is 8. Maybe it has something to do with the gender inequality index being 55, more than double that of any of the other developed countries.[/QUOTE]
You know what’s funny? I never see women lining up and protesting that they are “underrepresented” in coal mining, garbage collectors, pipeline welders, farmers, etc. Also, this is funny too “Few women show interest in infantry jobs opened to them”: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/18/few-women-show-interest-new-infantry-jobs-opened-them/81966838/
And of course, what about the end all of equality: selective service (aka the draft). Last I checked, a woman can’t be drafted and sent away against her will to be shot at. Yup, equality…when it’s wanted.
[QUOTE=johnny.dollar;182423]You know what’s funny? I never see women lining up and protesting that they are “underrepresented” in coal mining, garbage collectors, pipeline welders, farmers, etc. Also, this is funny too “Few women show interest in infantry jobs opened to them”: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/03/18/few-women-show-interest-new-infantry-jobs-opened-them/81966838/
And of course, what about the end all of equality: selective service (aka the draft). Last I checked, a woman can’t be drafted and sent away against her will to be shot at. Yup, equality…when it’s wanted.[/QUOTE]
I am not really used to arguing with intelligent people on this forum. This is a thread that has really gotten me dumbfounded. I am gonna have to get back to you.
