More trouble for Carnival

[QUOTE=starrj;104456]The ship hint the dry dock that my ship is in and put a big hole in it. I have video of the whole thing but it is to big to post with my phone. The whole dry dock was rolling from the wind with my ship on the blocks.[/QUOTE]

Got the video of Carnival Triumph adrift thanks to this guy.

http://gcaptain.com/video-showing-carnival-triumph-breaking-mooring-in-mobile/

Here are the videos, I was lazy last night…

[video=vimeo;63301652]https://vimeo.com/63301652[/video]

[QUOTE=starrj;104456]The ship hint the dry dock that my ship is in and put a big hole in it. I have video of the whole thing but it is to big to post with my phone. The whole dry dock was rolling from the wind with my ship on the blocks.[/QUOTE]

Ouch. That is always a fun feeling.

Video two…

[video=vimeo;63301509]https://vimeo.com/63301509[/video]

If you can keep from having a seizure from the shakiness of the video ( bad compression or upload?) it is a good example of wind effect on a completely dead cruise ship. Mainly video #2 when it slides, or “grinds” its way past the dry dock. There was a lot of debate of that with the Costa Concordia. Though the wind speed factor is quite different.

You must of never been on deck in strong wind taking a video with a phone camera. Why don’t donate a commercial video camera to the poster you he can film to your higher standard .

[QUOTE=Capt ETC;104559]If you can keep from having a seizure from the shakiness of the video ( bad compression or upload?) it is a good example of wind effect on a completely dead cruise ship. Mainly video #2 when it slides, or “grinds” its way past the dry dock. There was a lot of debate of that with the Costa Concordia. Though the wind speed factor is quite different.[/QUOTE]

Nice video.It is not a big secret that the windage on cruise ships causes problems even at sea. At anchor or on mooring they are sitting fat ducks. In my opinion they are misnamed. They should be called cruise vessels because they are not ships in the generally accepted sense of the word. That being a vessel of capable of putting to sea in all normally expected conditions/sea states. Now, an ocean liner is just that; a vessel that is made to travel oceans and built to handle the seas. I have photos of a cruise “ship” making a run to escape a lower category hurricane without guests on board. A lot of that pretty glass caved in and the staircase looked like a waterfall.These cruise vessels know they have to be able to outrun bad weather because they are not sure they can handle it despite the modeling which is what really concerns me about Carnival’s propensity for losing power.

I was making a joke. Gee wiz. Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings about that guy’s camera. That shaking wasn’t just from camera movement. It is most likely something with the video compression or upload as I said or even image stabilization. Nothing to do with the poster or his camera.
To the poster of the video; I thought your videos were the best ones of those I have seen. Great perspective and I appreciate you putting it out there for us. I joked about the jumpiness and apparently offended someone. If I had a Red Epic camera to donate, I’d hand it over to you.

Ya the shaking was from the wind i didnt take the video someone else on the ship did. I was down on deck without my camera. Before the ship parted its lines all of the lawn chairs were blowing off the top deck. We saw max wind guest of 89 kts.

Did they find the missing employee? :frowning:

I havent heard anything yet they were looking all day.

I read somewhere that they gave up the search. . .

[QUOTE=starrj;104588]Ya the shaking was from the wind i didnt take the video someone else on the ship did. I was down on deck without my camera. Before the ship parted its lines all of the lawn chairs were blowing off the top deck. We saw max wind guest of 89 kts.[/QUOTE]

I’m sorry. I just had to. . . .

Looks like they are finally getting “All their STUFF in one Seabag”…

Seems like a reasonable plan…

Carnival Cruise Lines Replacing Lifeboats With Tugboats

That was my thoughts during Gulf War1 with all the breakdown of the Marad fleet. The POS Cape Domingo I think never went passed Chesapeake Light without be towed back in. My nickname for Marad was the shoestring corporation. I loved the Porto potties on deck.

HA. Funny.

And they do it again: Carnival Fascination declared a roach motel by health inspectors:

Jaysus H.F. Keerist, who would pay to ride one of these shit barges??

Hey, cheaper than staying in a Motel 6,

http://skift.com/2013/04/10/thanks-to-triumph-its-cheaper-to-take-a-carnival-cruise-than-stay-at-a-motel-6/

And

http://news.yahoo.com/carnival-no-reimbursement-us-disabled-ship-214126861.html

Jeez, the thought of 24 “Tugboat Captains” on a cruise ship’s making me thirsty…

[QUOTE=DredgeBoyThrottleJocky;105491]Hey, cheaper than staying in a Motel 6,

http://skift.com/2013/04/10/thanks-to-triumph-its-cheaper-to-take-a-carnival-cruise-than-stay-at-a-motel-6/

And

http://news.yahoo.com/carnival-no-reimbursement-us-disabled-ship-214126861.html

Jeez, the thought of 24 “Tugboat Captains” on a cruise ship’s making me thirsty…[/QUOTE]

So Carnival is going to stiff the tugboat companies??? FFFFFF THEM!

from the article you posted:

MIAMI (AP) — Carnival Corp. says all maritime interests must assist without question those in trouble at sea, a duty that would not include reimbursing the U.S. government nearly $780,000 for costs associated with the rescue of the crippled Triumph cruise ship.

Carnival released letters Friday replying to an inquiry by U.S. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat who chairs the Senate Commerce Committee, about the Triumph stranding and the cruise line’s overall safety record. Among Rockefeller’s questions was whether Carnival would repay the government for Coast Guard costs in the Triumph case as well as $3.4 million to the Coast Guard and Navy from the 2010 stranding of the Carnival Splendor in the Pacific Ocean.

…how the hell do they get away with this crap?
…HOW???

The USCG needs to slap a DETENTION on the Triumph and arrest that ship right now in Mobile!

& they’re leave a light on. Well at least until the gen. set catches on fire…

[QUOTE=catherder;105519]So Carnival is going to stiff the tugboat companies??? FFFFFF THEM!

from the article you posted:

MIAMI (AP) — Carnival Corp. says all maritime interests must assist without question those in trouble at sea, a duty that would not include reimbursing the U.S. government nearly $780,000 for costs associated with the rescue of the crippled Triumph cruise ship.

Carnival released letters Friday replying to an inquiry by U.S. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat who chairs the Senate Commerce Committee, about the Triumph stranding and the cruise line’s overall safety record. Among Rockefeller’s questions was whether Carnival would repay the government for Coast Guard costs in the Triumph case as well as $3.4 million to the Coast Guard and Navy from the 2010 stranding of the Carnival Splendor in the Pacific Ocean.

…how the hell do they get away with this crap?
…HOW???

The USCG needs to slap a DETENTION on the Triumph and arrest that ship right now in Mobile![/QUOTE]

I saw similar articles in the news and had similar reactions but I think this is another case of the media twisting things a bit. I agree that Carnival has been a naughty little thing and should be spanked for it, however I think the above interpretation of events might be a bit skewed. Now I could be wrong but based on everything I have read so far Carnival is not stiffing the tugboat company, and it certainly doesn’t say that in the article that was quoted above. What it does say is that Carnival has refused to pay the U.S. Government for their services (i.e. the cutter that escorted the Triumph into Mobile and any other airlifted supplies that might have taken place), which is true, they have refused to do that.

There has been no indication that I have been made aware of thus far that Carnival is not going to pay the tug company that was responsible for them making it back to safety in Mobile. Since that just leaves the Coast Guard, who we know they’re not going to pay, let’s examine that for just a moment. What kind of a precedent would it set for vessels that are assisted by the USCG to be sent a bill after the fact? Where do you draw the line? Sure Carnival can afford it but it’s the smaller one-horse institutions you have to worry about and if you charge one you have to charge the all.

I think Carnival should be punished for their misdeeds somehow but I cannot support them, or anyone else, having to pay a bill to the federal government for a marine casualty. That is simply not how things work in our industry. Can you confidently say that some mariners would not be incentivized not to call for help when they need it because they’re worried about the bill they’d be sent? If the USCG started charging for assistance tomorrow how would that go over industry-wide? Not well, I would assume. Not well at all.