Heard from someone who was talking to MARAD and the folks at TOTE that Mass refused delivery of the new training ship PATRIOT STATE. Anyone got any details on that? All I heard was a rumor that “several key systems were found unsatisfactory or inoperable.”
No surprise after SUNY’s experience.
Ships been delivered to MARAD. Guess we’ll find out in January how bad of shape she’s actually in.
The ship was contracted for MARAD who is the owner. I don’t think it’s up to the academy to accept or refuse delivery.
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True. Maybe they were just raising hell about all the issues they supposedly have. I’ve still not heard more about it.
Heard that at the last Marine Society dinner the SUNY captain put two of the guests on the spot when he took to the podium for a speech. Think it was TOTE and the shipyard’s leadership — walked up with a stack of papers and began the speech by thanking them for being there and presenting them with warranty issues they’d been dodging. So maybe the other schools are learning from the mistakes of the TSES and leaning harder into management for real solutions.
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Good on him if thats actually true to take it out into public and put them in the hot seat. Im not surprised to hear a TOTE-run project is not living up to standards, but as far as I’ve heard Philly Shipyard has turned out good vessels consistently. I haven’t heard much griping about the fit and finish of any of their tankers or boxships.
What would have made the NSMV project work any different?
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I’m guessing first of its type, first of its class? Folks who’ve visited the ships spotted a lot of glaring issues and the way they talk about them make it seem like they designed the look of the ship, but the internal workings were an afterthought.
OSG had a lot of problems with the early vessels in the fleet when they came out.
One of them dumped the whole CO2 room while underway. Whoops.
Was that user error? Bc I’ve seen a certain large scale “fire equipment” outfit dump a whole CO2 room in port during an annual
No. Underway off the east coast and all of a sudden the alarms just started going off and the whole ER scrambled.
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That’s freaking weird. The CO2 systems I’m familiar are all manual & they need force from a human to activate the systems. And the ship builders didn’t install nor certify those systems. They were USCG/ABS/etc approved 3rd party venders that installed, certified & they usually try to keep the annual inspection contract after the ship is commissioned. If it was the fault of the shipyard or 3rd party vendor, one of them should have had their USCG/ABS/etc doc revoked or least placed on probation.
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If I recall the story, one of the pilot bottles tripped somehow and dumped the whole thing.
I was once on a boat where the CO2 system dumped underway. The cause was simple.
The fire system vendor failed to clamp down on the brackets holding the pilot bottle in place. The actuator wire was rigged correctly, and there was a certain amount of friction/tension on it. Unknowing of all this, we got underway from Seattle on the Inside Passage. No rolling. But once we exited the IP two days later and began a gentle roll, the unsecured bottle moved away from the wire, so to speak. The same movement as the wire being pulled.
The first I knew of it was when the siren sounded in the ER.
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Simple explanation are usually correct.
That seams to be missing in a lot of cases, on this forum as well as in the media.
Refr. this case: Port emergency in Tormso Norway