[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;161238]I don’t want to derail the other thread but maritime unions don’t necessarily or exclusively use the seniority system.
This has been gone over before but some positions are rotary, that is out of the hall and some are permanent, hired by the company. The four top positions, master, C/E, C/M and 1 A/E are usually all permanent. To get those jobs you have to get hired by the company and will need recommendations from the captain and chiefs.
[B]If your ship gets laid up or sold you’re out of work and may or may not get severance depending on the contract. However you can ship out of the hall ahead of guys with lower seniority in the union.[/B]
Also as has been pointed out many companies do all their hiring and mariners join after getting hired.[/QUOTE]
[B]If your ship gets laid up or sold you’re out of work and may or may not get severance depending on the contract.[/B]
I don’t know of which union you speak of, but that is not how MMP Offshore works for MLL when it’s just a ship or two. I can’t say for sure about ISC, APL, Matson, or Horizon but I’m not willing to bet against it being the same.
Very recent examples include MLL flag-outs (not replaced) of Alliance Richmond. Those 2 Capts, and 2 C/Ms are MLL employees (3 of 4 very long term, I might add), not just Alliance Richmond employees. MLL has found them spots on other MMP MLL contracted vessels where there were holes, after MLL [B]TRIED[/B] to walk away from similar situations in the past by just saying your job left with your ship. I don’t know that the Capts stayed Capts, but the C/Ms certainly stayed at same position. Only perm. jobs in MMP offshore are Capt and C/M.
Not too long ago, a Sulphur Enterpise master retired, and lots of ISC C/Ms and some Captains (Waterman, Central Gulf, and Energy Enterprise) all thought they had seniority and first crack at the S/E Capt opening. The seasoned C/M on the S/E was now having to seriously fend off suitors for a Capt’s job that was most certainly one he deserved the first shot at. In the end he was protected by the MMP contract covering promotions within the company. Sulphur Carriers was a one ship company, end of story. This was prior to ISC buying UMG/TECO.
There are a lot of little things in all those horrible, nasty, evil union contracts that do protect the employee when no one else is going to, whether its vacancies or lost ships.
[B]However you can ship out of the hall ahead of guys with lower seniority in the union.[/B]
If a company employee quits or decides to ship off the board, he has to wait some period of time (about 2 weeks) before getting a new shipping card. He/She may be an A book, but they will be an A book with a brand new card and well over a hundred A books ahead of him/her.