Looks like it costs $195.00… Becides I’d rather hear it from the guys in the GOM.
[QUOTE=Phil Brady;73697]Wouldn’t all of this be in the Work Boat Compensation report http://www.workboat.com/content.aspx?id=11640
Has anyone ever seen one of these?[/QUOTE]
That info is out of date by about 1 year. Double that info for a Licensed guy, minus 1/4rd for unlicensed.
Up Nawth:
A OS makes around 250 a day.
A AB makes 300 a day.
A Tankerman/PIC lead makes 450. a second tankerman makes 400.
A Mate (full watchstanding, navigation mate who stands their own watch) makes 500 a day.
A ‘sea mate’ who only stands autopilot watches and doesn’t dock or sail is around 450 a day.
A Captain makes 600 a day. Some Captains make 650 to 700 a day though, depending upon company and vessel type.
A licensed engineer makes 500 a day.
A Unlicensed engineer makes 475 a day.
Of course these are not totally accurate, since some companies make about 50 bucks more or less a day. But it gives you an idea if you get out of the ‘patch’ what the pay rate is. Typically the higher up the food chain you are the bigger the wages may be in your favor. A Captain is likely to have more than a $50 leeway, but an OS would only maybe have a $25 leeway in wages. Some companies (and employees) scoff at the listed wages, because they just don’t believe the wages where they are at could be “any better.” Some companies HATE seeing listed wages like this out in public because they know it will drive the adventurous out the door.
Come on sailors. What is the prevailing wage where you work? It is not like this is really a secret you know! The only reason you get hammered by HR to “not disclose wages” it so they can keep them down. The longer it takes to get the word out, the longer they can keep the wages lower. Shareholder equity and all.
Yes, sharing wage info is the ONLY way to check on wage parity around the country.
Tankerman??? ;~)
As an ET on a Drillship i make 683 a day
C’mon GOM guys!!! Pony up!!! ;~)
These monthly wages are the same on leave?
[QUOTE=cappy208;73759]Up Nawth:
A OS makes around 250 a day.
A AB makes 300 a day.
A Mate (full watchstanding, navigation mate who stands their own watch) makes 500 a day.
A ‘sea mate’ who only stands autopilot watches and doesn’t dock or sail is around 450 a day.
A Captain makes 600 a day. Some Captains make 650 to 700 a day though, depending upon company and vessel type.
A licensed engineer makes 500 a day.
A Unlicensed engineer makes 475 a day.
Of course these are not totally accurate, since some companies make about 50 bucks more or less a day. But it gives you an idea if you get out of the ‘patch’ what the pay rate is.
Yes, sharing wage info is the ONLY way to check on wage parity around the country.
Shhhh. Don’t let anyone else know what you’re making… It’s a secret.
HEY, why am I making so much less than Y’all?
Oh yeah, I forgot, were not supposed to discuss wages. (bend over and prepare for some company appreciation)[/QUOTE]
I have friends in the GOM, East Coast and up Nawth. The numbers cappy quoted are still fairly close to everyone I talk to for tugboat crews. I can’t speak for the west coast.
The real difference in the GOM is on the different types of vessels here. For example a guy with a 100 ton license, running a crew boat is only going to make about the same as a AB unlimited. I hear some AB unimiteds here in the GOM say they are making 365, to 375. That is the most I have ever heard for an AB. The OS on our boat are at 200. So the crew boat guys are close to thses wages.
When you jump up to the mud boats that require a 1600 ton license, or the 3000 ITC, which would be around 240 feet or less (give or take) those guys are real close to the tug boat numbers above, for most all positions.
The real jump in money is when you get into the bigger vessels that require the 6000ITC and a DP cert to be on them. Depending on the company and each individuals experience, those Masters and Chiefs are in the 600 to around 1000 a day range. The mates are 600 to 850 or so. Some guys have a masters license but sailing mate will be in the middle some where.
The big anchor boat guys get a little more,and the big SAT dive boats and ROV will be between the mud boat guys and the ancor handlers.
As cappy said alot will depend on the individual company, experience level of each individual person and seniority with the company. Most of these numbers I think are close give or take 50 bucks on the bottom, and give or take 100 for the top end guys.
According to my sources the top payer in the GOM right now is ECO, with HOS running a close second, lagging behind in third would be OC followed by Harvey Gulf. However Harvery Gulf makes up some of the lower day rate with killer bonuses. Right now a Master or Chief with a 6000ITC and DP they are throwing around $10,000 signing bonus just to come to work for them. ThIngs like that have never been heard of in the gulf before.
The only reason the pay scale has come up so much for the guys wit the bg licenses and the experience is alot of them were jumping and going to the drill ships, just as fast as Noble or T/O would hire them. This in turn forced the OSV companies to raise there pay scale to stop the bleeding you would say.
For the guys with the big licenses and 10 years or so of experience, they will be a hot commodity the next few years. Every one knows it the OSV companys the drilling companies everyone. There are alot of new boats being built, OSV, dive, ROV, support and not to mention drill ships. I think it will be an interesting ride the next several years.
I wish some of those day rates would filter over to the east coast!!
[QUOTE=ChiefRob;73835]I have friends in the GOM, East Coast and up Nawth. The numbers cappy quoted are still fairly close to everyone I talk to for tugboat crews. I can’t speak for the west coast.
The real difference in the GOM is on the different types of vessels here. For example a guy with a 100 ton license, running a crew boat is only going to make about the same as a AB unlimited. I hear some AB unimiteds here in the GOM say they are making 365, to 375. That is the most I have ever heard for an AB. The OS on our boat are at 200. So the crew boat guys are close to thses wages.
When you jump up to the mud boats that require a 1600 ton license, or the 3000 ITC, which would be around 240 feet or less (give or take) those guys are real close to the tug boat numbers above, for most all positions.
The real jump in money is when you get into the bigger vessels that require the 6000ITC and a DP cert to be on them. Depending on the company and each individuals experience, those Masters and Chiefs are in the 600 to around 1000 a day range. The mates are 600 to 850 or so. Some guys have a masters license but sailing mate will be in the middle some where.
The big anchor boat guys get a little more,and the big SAT dive boats and ROV will be between the mud boat guys and the ancor handlers.
As cappy said alot will depend on the individual company, experience level of each individual person and seniority with the company. Most of these numbers I think are close give or take 50 bucks on the bottom, and give or take 100 for the top end guys.
According to my sources the top payer in the GOM right now is ECO, with HOS running a close second, lagging behind in third would be OC followed by Harvey Gulf. However Harvery Gulf makes up some of the lower day rate with killer bonuses. Right now a Master or Chief with a 6000ITC and DP they are throwing around $10,000 signing bonus just to come to work for them. ThIngs like that have never been heard of in the gulf before.
The only reason the pay scale has come up so much for the guys wit the bg licenses and the experience is alot of them were jumping and going to the drill ships, just as fast as Noble or T/O would hire them. This in turn forced the OSV companies to raise there pay scale to stop the bleeding you would say.
For the guys with the big licenses and 10 years or so of experience, they will be a hot commodity the next few years. Every one knows it the OSV companys the drilling companies everyone. There are alot of new boats being built, OSV, dive, ROV, support and not to mention drill ships. I think it will be an interesting ride the next several years.[/QUOTE]
Actually HOS is the highest paying company in the gulf with ECO or OC 2nd. Heard Candies got a raise but was never able to confirm.
[QUOTE=New-mate;73839]Actually HOS is the highest paying company in the gulf with ECO or OC 2nd. Heard Candies got a raise but was never able to confirm.[/QUOTE]
I have friends at all 4 of the big companies in the GOM every position HOS and ECO are close together at the top, alot depends on position and which type of boat. I can assure you OC is behind both.
[QUOTE=ChiefRob;73835]ThIngs like that have never been heard of in the gulf before.
For the guys with the big licenses and 10 years or so of experience, they will be a hot commodity the next few years. Every one knows it the OSV companys the drilling companies everyone. There are alot of new boats being built, OSV, dive, ROV, support and not to mention drill ships. I think it will be an interesting ride the next several years.[/QUOTE]
You make me think things. I may have to look into going back to Mate down there. I always thought I would retire off tugs. Maybe this old dog can learn some new tricks.
[QUOTE=KennyW1983;73836]I wish some of those day rates would filter over to the east coast!![/QUOTE]
That IS new York prevailing wage. (Union scale) Maybe you should print this and send a copy to your office!!!
[QUOTE=Mudmover;73828]These monthly wages are the same on leave?[/QUOTE]
Your post made me realize that this is not as cut and dried as it appears. The wages are based upon a year 'round amount.
The wages I posted are for a even time schedule. So if you multiply those numbers by 182.5 (half a year) that is roughly your annual salary.
HOWEVER… I routinely get pasted on here from a select few who argue that they make more than those wages. However they usually neglect to say that they work MORE than half the year. A guy working at (for example) Dann Towing works for about 25% less wages than those posted. BUT, they work for 8 or 9 months a year. So they actually make more annual salary per year, but at the sacrifice of being gone from home for more days.
It is up to personal values and interpretation. Some guys only see the bottom line, Some want as much time at home as possible. Some get so caught up in the numbers game they can’t see the truth.
For instance, at one company I am aware of, the company has two line items on the paystub that say: Annual Year To Date Amount: and YTD: One of these numbers there is reflecting the TOTAL amount of how much the company is spending on you (wages, benefits, health care, etc etc) Some deckhands actually think they are making 75,000 a year. “My pay stub says so!” So sometimes what you ‘think’ you are getting isn’t so clear. But when the W-2 comes the number ain’t the big one!!
These wages I wrote are for when you are working on the boat you get paid that pay. Period. Think about it.
Haha im a few states south of NYC. And i prefer to stay employed.
Perhaps I should have added that in my post, those figures are for a day rate only, you have to decide if working day for day, 2 for 1, or what ever is best for you. Also those figures are without benefits. Some companys make up for a lower day rate by having a killer benefit package. That is depending on what each individual is comfortable with. Some pay travel some don’t there are many other things to figure besides a basic day rate.
ECO has given the licensed officers 2 raises in a year, more then doubling their day rate. Unlicensed guys got a 30 dollar a day raise, total.
Master/Chief - 850
Relief - 800
3rd Mate/Engineer - 725
AB - 280 + 20 rigging pay
Oiler - 280
OS - 205 + 20 rigging pay
Wiper - 205
Plus and extra $75/day for Licensed guys when doing Anchor work, no extra for the unlicensed.
Benefits are so-so. 401k matching is below average. Not a bad company to work for. I enjoy it.
Mates jobs are taken mostly by? Texas Maritime graduates? Hawpipers? How does one get into such a lucrative section of the maritime industry.
[QUOTE=liftedlimo;73866]ECO has given the licensed officers 2 raises in a year, more then doubling their day rate. Unlicensed guys got a 30 dollar a day raise, total.
Master/Chief - 825
Relief - 800
3rd Mate/Engineer - 725
AB - 280 + 20 rigging pay
Oiler - 280
OS - 205 + 20 rigging pay
Wiper - 205
Plus and extra $75/day for Licensed guys when doing Anchor work, no extra for the unlicensed.
Benefits are so-so. 401k matching is below average. Not a bad company to work for. I enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
That is just for OSV’s, unlimited vessels are higher. Plus, there is seniority, but I was told it was 850 for Master/ C/E on anchor boats.
[QUOTE=laheim;73885]Mates jobs are taken mostly by? Texas Maritime graduates? Hawpipers? How does one get into such a lucrative section of the maritime industry.[/QUOTE]
Both. No rule…just who they feel can do the job when the position needs filling.