This guy knows what’s up.
[QUOTE=Nautical Wheeler;158531]I have no problem with drug testing, I say bring it on. I wish they would test more than they do. If they test 100 Captains and 5 get busted, it just makes my job more secure.[/QUOTE]
I haven’t really got a problem with drug testing either. But it does suck when we’ve only got eight hours in port anyway, by the time the drug testers get their crap set up there’s an hour gone, then I’ve got crap to do but now I have to fight through the line of guys who don’t want to give up their spot because they want to go ashore, and now I’m stuck behind the guy who forgot about the drug test and took a leak fifteen minutes ago. If I had to do that every other week I think I’d snap!
[QUOTE=exsubguy;158532]This guy knows what’s up.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, and the most non-existent random drug screen program imaginable.
Smoke’m if ya got’em!
Yeah ramp up the drug testing ! Make sure you call the coon-ass folk to give them the heads up though. Think that was not happening? how Gullible ! Do you really believe the BS the “joe boss” is feeding you about the drug testing ? How Gullible !! The GOM is slow, can you think of a better way to thin the herd other than starting with drug testing? You know the safety guy from all the companies as we’ll as the companies that charter the boats have meetings. They are all in the same room coming up with…??? When boy when, when are you going to wake up. Get a job, you can start with picking strawberries and then work your way up to them bananas. Bend and stoop like the Mexicans
We had a discussion about unemployment some time back. Check your state’s unemployment laws, guys on furlough…you may be able to draw UI even if you are still employed but have no paid assignment. Worth checking into.
Not all are stacked. One of the majors is adding four to the rig count. If you look at your AIS you will see a couple of “new to the gulf” MODU’s. Stay tuned.
Maybe there is hope after all.
but if joe boss says you can’t, then you definitely can’t, right? They have the final say!
Issue with all these positive tests is it will probably make them go back up to %50 from %25; I have personally enjoyed the much reduced time spent taking drug tests the last couple of years.
[QUOTE=z-drive;158572]but if joe boss says you can’t, then you definitely can’t, right? They have the final say!
Issue with all these positive tests is it will probably make them go back up to %50 from %25; I have personally enjoyed the much reduced time spent taking drug tests the last couple of years.[/QUOTE]
No, the final say is with state UI office. Just because boss says no or not true doesn’t mean it stops there. You have every right to defend your claim. Not technically being fired doesn’t preclude you from filing let alone be qualified for benefits.
These companies hope that by stringing you along with claims of next week or just waiting for a spot to open, etc., that you won’t file.
Previously paying into the system, now unemployed not by choice, unsuccessful and thorough job search = qualified for UI.
This is from personal experience, not somebody else’s sea story.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;158577]No, the final say is with state UI office. Just because boss says no or not true doesn’t mean it stops there. You have every right to defend your claim. Not technically being fired doesn’t preclude you from filing let alone be qualified for benefits.
These companies hope that by stringing you along with claims of next week or just waiting for a spot to open, etc., that you won’t file.
Previously paying into the system, now unemployed not by choice, unsuccessful and thorough job search = qualified for UI.[/QUOTE]
That’s correct, it’s up to the state to decide whether you receive benefits. The employer can object and there is an appeals process. I’ve been reading up on this.
During the government shutdown, we feds were allowed to draw UI. If you did (I did not), you had to pay it back because we did get back pay.
Can’t hurt to file a claim.
[QUOTE=catherder;158578]That’s correct, it’s up to the state to decide whether you receive benefits. The employer can object and there is an appeals process. I’ve been reading up on this.
During the government shutdown, we feds were allowed to draw UI. If you did (I did not), you had to pay it back because we did get back pay.
Can’t hurt to file a claim.[/QUOTE]
Now why do I have the feeling Louisiana may not have the most worker-friendly ui laws in the land?
[QUOTE=catherder;158578]That’s correct, it’s up to the state to decide whether you receive benefits. The employer can object and there is an appeals process. I’ve been reading up on this.
During the government shutdown, we feds were allowed to draw UI. If you did (I did not), you had to pay it back because we did get back pay.
Can’t hurt to file a claim.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is up to the state but the company has quite a bit of influence. The state doesn’t want to give up that money. The company doesn’t want you getting that money because it raises their unemployment insurance rates.
I was once denied after a hearing on my claim. The company had it down that I was part of a “permanent two-man rotation”. The state said I couldn’t work in my off time. I provided my discharges from another ship while I was supposed to be part of the two man rotation on the vacation previous. Then they wanted a letter from the union explaining what vacation pay was even though it was past my back to work date. I was legitimately unemployed on a lay-off and still they wouldn’t let me collect. I guess I could have gotten a lawyer and fought it but for a month’s worth of unemployment, it wasn’t worth it.
To sum it all up, if Joe Boss and the state unemployment office want to work together, you can be SOL. But yes it doesn’t hurt to file a claim.
Gah. How depressing.
Louisiana is a right to work state. Any person can quit without notice and go anywhere else they like. But also you can be fired without reason.
Johhny, I was more or less saying how the joe-boss apologists here go with whatever joe says; if joe says you can’t collect, then you can’t collect! Obviously your claim with the state is the final say, many of which you can appeal as well if you don’t like their ruling.
Once again, in many states you don’t need to be totally laid off, rather have your hours substantially cut, which would mean all the folks at [B]the company of choice[/B] at home on a “furlough.”
[QUOTE=z-drive;158610]Johhny, I was more or less saying how the joe-boss apologists here go with whatever joe says; if joe says you can’t collect, then you can’t collect! Obviously your claim with the state is the final say, many of which you can appeal as well if you don’t like their ruling.
Once again, in many states you don’t need to be totally laid off, rather have your hours substantially cut, which would mean all the folks at [B]the company of choice[/B] at home on a “furlough.”[/QUOTE]
You’re not fooling anybody; we all know you and CC are closet “Joe-lovers.”
I hear ya, Z.
Well paying, slow and steadily increasing union wages don’t look so bad when Joe says to go home till we call you…
[QUOTE=pwrmariner;158544]Yeah ramp up the drug testing ! Make sure you call the coon-ass folk to give them the heads up though. Think that was not happening? how Gullible ! Do you really believe the BS the “joe boss” is feeding you about the drug testing ? How Gullible !! The GOM is slow, can you think of a better way to thin the herd other than starting with drug testing? You know the safety guy from all the companies as we’ll as the companies that charter the boats have meetings. They are all in the same room coming up with…??? When boy when, when are you going to wake up. Get a job, you can start with picking strawberries and then work your way up to them bananas. Bend and stoop like the Mexicans[/QUOTE]
No wonder you were sent home, all you do is whine! Man up, get over it and move on! It sucks that layoffs are happening, we get it.
[QUOTE=Nautical Wheeler;158609]Louisiana is a right to work state. Any person can quit without notice and go anywhere else they like. But also you can be fired without reason.[/QUOTE]
“Right to work state” should be called “Right to work for low wages state”.
This thread started out by asking: HOW MANY oil field mariners are laid off?
That is a good question, but . . . 10%? 20% 30%? Certainly, not more than that? There are some laid off, but is it really a lot of mariners?
How many guys have had to take demotions from captain to mate? From mate to AB?
How many have had to take pay cuts, 25%, 50%, 75% or 90% ? What is the typical size of pay cut, 10%, 20%, 30% ?
Oil patch mariners are definitely trying to go elsewhere. Seattle companies are being flooded with resumes from Gulf mariners. Some licensed engineers with DDE 4000 or better will get hired. A few mates maybe hired at the low end companies, but no captains. There goes any chance we had of a day rate increase.
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[QUOTE=RespectMyAuthority;158622]“Right to work state” should be called “Right to work for low wages state”.[/QUOTE]
Alaska and Washington are right to work states, and have some of the highest wages in the US. Unions usually mean that a chosen few get overpaid, but most people cannot get into the union, so have to work for nothing. For example, just look at longshoremen wages compared to mariners or any other workers.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;158623]For example, just look at longshoremen wages compared to mariners or any other workers.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that longshoremen stick together. When this cycle approaches it’s nadir, the mariners will be too busy cutting each others throats.