Grand River Navigation

Just wondering what the story with Grand River Navigation is, couldn’t find much info on the Internet. What the pay rate for the licensed crew is?

Small company out of Ohio, part of Rand Logistics which also owns the Canadian company Lower Lakes Towing. They currently run 3 ships: the Manitowoc, Calumet, and the Manistee. They also have 3 tug/barges: the Mckee Sons, the James Kuber, and the Lewis Kuber. They also just acquired a new tug/barge from United Ocean Service down in the Gulf that is currently getting a new boom put on and should be running this summer.

They are MMP top to bottom. So licensed/ unlicensed Deck or Engine its all the same. I know from class mates of mine that the pay is pretty good, but they really work you pretty hard especially the deckhands and conveyor men . I know some others on here can probably fill you in on the pay details more but last time they were at the Academy is was around $370 a day plus overtime for a 3rd mate. The engineers get lots of overtime. If your a mate you’ll need pilotage for the Great Lakes.

Hope this helps

Yes thank you that helps! I’m a newly licensed 3rd A/E

Give them a call at 440 930 2024. Talk to Rick. You might also try our union rep Captain Charles Malue at 216 776 1667. GLMASailor was close on the day rate. About $365 for 3/AE for an eight hour day, seven days per week. OT is about $40.00 per hour and you’ll get plenty of it.

Thank you very much for the details!

No prob. I’ve been with them for a few years. They suck, but so does every other company I’ve ever worked for!! LOL

Sorry to dig up an old thread but I had Grand River Navigation’s name cross my desk recently and I am curious about them. Are their ATB units under 1600-GRT? Even if they are do they hire non-unlimited licenses? They look it but as mentioned above, there is not a whole lot of information about them on the internet. If Tugboatinformation.com doesn’t have anything then probably nobody else does either…

What is working for them like? I’ve never worked dry bulk before but I imagine having a self unloading cargo hold isn’t too bad of a gig. Like Seadog said, every company sucks, but some suck worse than others. Where does Grand River and the type of work they do rank in the grand scheme of things?

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;122965]Sorry to dig up an old thread but I had Grand River Navigation’s name cross my desk recently and I am curious about them. Are their ATB units under 1600-GRT? Even if they are do they hire non-unlimited licenses? They look it but as mentioned above, there is not a whole lot of information about them on the internet. If Tugboatinformation.com doesn’t have anything then probably nobody else does either…

What is working for them like? I’ve never worked dry bulk before but I imagine having a self unloading cargo hold isn’t too bad of a gig. Like Seadog said, every company sucks, but some suck worse than others. Where does Grand River and the type of work they do rank in the grand scheme of things?[/QUOTE]

They have the last ATB I sailed on, the “Invincible” it is paired with the barge McKee sons. That used to be one stout, tough ass old tug. It was built at Atlantic Marine in Jacksonville, It has always been a Bludworth unit from day one. It used to push a different barge before Grand river bought it. I know that boat is well under 1600. I sailed Chief on it for several years. Took that war horse all over the world. I posted several pics of it in Sweat and Grease’s thread showing pictures of ship’s we used to work on.

The one they bought from United Ocean services is under 1600 as well. The name slips my mind at this moment. Oh well to many years ago. That used to be a decent unit as well, back when it was Gulf Coast Transit.

Not sure about the tonnage on those ATB’s, but I don’t think GRN would be interested in a limited tonnage deck license. I can’t speak to the Engr’s licenses though. The phone numbers I posted though are still good. GRN isn’t too bad. MMP top to bottom with good benefits. I’m kinda sorry I left as I’m having a hard time finding steady work. C’est la vie.

[QUOTE=ChiefRob;122967]They have the last ATB I sailed on, the “Invincible” it is paired with the barge McKee sons. That used to be one stout, tough ass old tug. It was built at Atlantic Marine in Jacksonville, It has always been a Bludworth unit from day one. It used to push a different barge before Grand river bought it. I know that boat is well under 1600. I sailed Chief on it for several years. Took that war horse all over the world. I posted several pics of it in Sweat and Grease’s thread showing pictures of ship’s we used to work on.

The one they bought from United Ocean services is under 1600 as well. The name slips my mind at this moment. Oh well to many years ago. That used to be a decent unit as well, back when it was Gulf Coast Transit.[/QUOTE]

I miss that thread, high time we revived it! Speaking of which, I miss SNG too! Where’s that old bastard gone off to? I know he had some back troubles but I thought he’d be tickling a keyboard again by now…

[QUOTE=seadog6608;71183]Give them a call at 440 930 2024. Talk to Rick. You might also try our union rep Captain Charles Malue at 216 776 1667. GLMASailor was close on the day rate. About $365 for 3/AE for an eight hour day, seven days per week. OT is about $40.00 per hour and you’ll get plenty of it.[/QUOTE]

Can someone explain how wages are structured in this situation? I’m familiar with the standard “overtime = 1.5 x base rate” for anything >8 hrs/day and >40 hrs/week. In this case $365 / 8 hrs = ~$45.63, so the overtime rate should be ~$68.44 – is that not the case?

Overtime rates are negotiated within the framework of the contract between the company and union. It often has little to do with a nonexistent backwards calculated “base rate”. Typical contracts I’ve seen will list a monthly figure based on a 30 day month. A daily rate can be figured since one’s assignment may end up more or less than even month increments. The pay is not based on an hourly rate. If you happen to work less than 8 hours (straight time) on a particular day you still get paid for a full day.

No Jared. OT rate is the same as hourly rate for officers.The reason the dayrate is what is, is that there is that vacation pay is already figured into the dayrate. All unlicensed personnel can get unemployment during their time off. Officers can get it but it’s a grey area. I will never say a bad word about GRN. Sure they’re fucked up. Every company is. They did pretty good by me.

I always wondered as an MMP Offshore Division officer if I could ever swing a relief gig up there as an AB. Never knew if it happened or who to call to find out.

[QUOTE=seadog6608;154627]No Jared. OT rate is the same as hourly rate for officers.The reason the dayrate is what is, is that there is that vacation pay is already figured into the dayrate. All unlicensed personnel can get unemployment during their time off. Officers can get it but it’s a grey area. I will never say a bad word about GRN. Sure they’re fucked up. Every company is. They did pretty good by me.[/QUOTE]

I see, so it’s more like “monthly salary / 30 = day rate” – so an individual receives a portion of their monthly salary for each day worked. Thanks for the info.

In your experience, how many hours per week does a 3rd mate work at GRN? Again, thank you for your time and information.

Yes you can. You can even swing a 30 day relief gig as 3/M without pilotage. Call the guy in the MMP Cleveland Hall. Captain Tom Bell.

[QUOTE=ShooterMcGavin;154669]I always wondered as an MMP Offshore Division officer if I could ever swing a relief gig up there as an AB. Never knew if it happened or who to call to find out.[/QUOTE]

If you sail 2nd or 3rd Mate without pilotage, do you stand a different watch? How do they work you into a licensed position without the pilotage?