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Thanks again.
Enclosure (1) to NVIC 4-01, paragraph #4
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That isn’t where the rule comes from, but it is good that they mentioned it in that NVIC so people know about it.
At the risk of learning more than one thing in a day, where does that rule come from? I’d be guessing big assed river boats hard to cheat under 200?
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At the risk of learning more than one thing in a day, where does that rule come from? I’d be guessing big assed river boats hard to cheat under 200?[/QUOTE]
It’s in the USC, but I don’t have the citation handy. It has been discussed on this forum before, you might be able to find it by searching.
Edit:
I remembered the title of the article that was linked here in another thread a few years ago and looked it up. This breaks it down clearly.
[QUOTE=DredgeBoyThrottleJocky;106403], so few grandfathered MOT’s they’re not sure what to do with us/me…
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What are you talking about? The ‘grandfather’ thing is done. NO MORE. The grandfather thing was about 10 years ago.
Beats me, all I can say is in my case outv to mot 2011.
Then somehow… You fell through the cracks at NMC. I have never heard of this (unless you have not disclosed the actual path you have taken). The path to upgrade an existing OUTV to the Master of Towing Vessels endorsement on a license was ended around 2002. The people who had a OUTV had a deadline to have the licenses changed over to the new license program. There have been several people over the years on Gcaptain who have complained of this exact same issue, and were ‘left out in the cold’ because they didn’t meet the deadline’. So, I would say either you were ‘exceptionally lucky’ or you are being unclear on your license progression. The term “Grandfather” as it applies to an original holder of an OUTV has been extinct since the final license renewals subsequent to the 2002 deadline. This would mean someone who renewed late would have been ‘done’ by 2007. I may be off by a year or so, but, the time has been up for several years. If you did an ‘apprentice mate’ license program then you were not grandfathered, but simply had to meet the new requirements.
I read one license (of an original grandfathered towing license from the early 70’s) that read: Licensed to serve as Master of Vessels (restricted to towing vessels less than 200 tons) Also, Master of Towing Vessels. Since this guy had never actually passed an exam, his license was specifically NOT grandfathered to a 200 ton Masters license. It was restricted to towing vessels only. Other people who have gotten a towing license have two distinct licenses. The first is a Master (or Mate) license, and a second Master (Mate) of Towing Vessels (MOTV) endorsement.
“exceptionally lucky”, I’ll go with that. I’d rather be 'exceptionally lucky than good.
Work with plenty of guys who just still have a master of towing with no other inspected tonnage licensed. One with a 100-ton master if towing. Reckon there are still some out there.
[QUOTE=z-drive;106708]Work with plenty of guys who just still have a master of towing with no other inspected tonnage licensed. One with a 100-ton master if towing. Reckon there are still some out there.[/QUOTE]
and how do they get their licenses renewed when there is no such animal anymore?
MOT lives… OUTV RIP
Who the hell knows? Why the hell do they say I am always 1,300 days short of sea time for a renewal?
Their next renewal may be different? Who knows…it’s all a flux capacitor mystery
Wonder if they make an 8.8 kt version…
[QUOTE=z-drive;106708]Work with plenty of guys who just still have a master of towing with no other inspected tonnage licensed. One with a 100-ton master if towing. Reckon there are still some out there.[/QUOTE]
Master of towing is not the same as an OUTV.
Yes indeed!
I have not heard the term OUTV it seems like pushing 15 years, thought they grandfathered them up to a 200 ton MOT (500 Ton inland).