Dammit! I was out to sea when all this "GUN" nonsense started

[QUOTE=ChiefRob;123534] went from a once proud nation to a welfare state where the taker’s are very quickly out numbering the givers. It is only a matter of time before the whole system implodes into it’s self. I just can’t believe the idiots in Washington are borrowing money from the commies to support this crap. [/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with a welfare state, but I don’t think USA has the necessary elements to function as such. You need a homogeneous population of hard working people who trust the system. Globalisation has ruined that.
But I still believe trusting your community and working together is the way to go in case of a emergency. The needs of the many trumps the needs of the few. And a gun is not going to help you if a group of people is hell bent on taking your stuff.

No but I’ll take a few of them bastards with me… And fuck the “many” they ain’t worried about me and how much money uncle sucker steals from my pocket…

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;123544]No but I’ll take a few of them bastards with me… And fuck the “many” they ain’t worried about me and how much money uncle sucker steals from my pocket…[/QUOTE]

And then you’er dead, how is that helping your family?

Kraken - I was going to jump on your post and cite examples of your flawed logic.

Then I popped over to your profile and saw you are from Norway. Knowing that, I’ll stand down. Europeans are quite different from us Yanks. What works in a somewhat affluent, small, homogenous socialist country may (will?) not work in the great melting pot that is the USA.

You are forgiven.

Hard work is what made this country not socialism. As far as the group goes, feel free to be the first in line. See how long the " group" last when trying to take my stuff.

[QUOTE=Kraken;123543]Nothing wrong with a welfare state, but I don’t think USA has the necessary elements to function as such. You need a homogeneous population of hard working people who trust the system. Globalisation has ruined that.
But I still believe trusting your community and working together is the way to go in case of a emergency. The needs of the many trumps the needs of the few. And a gun is not going to help you if a group of people is hell bent on taking your stuff.[/QUOTE]

You are correct that the USA does not have the necessary elements to support this behavior. In California they say that for every 100 people working and contributing to the system that they are around 150 people living off the system. Most of the rest of the country is probably not much different. The hard working class is disappearing and being taken over by the crowd that feel they are just entitled to something just because. We now have entire generations living off welfare, and have no intention of ever getting a job to contribute to the system or society. Granted some truly do deserve the welfare, but the majority do not, and are just taking advantage of the system. This is wrong no matter where you are from. We are going to go bankrupt trying to support this behavior. This is only one of many problems we have here, but sadly I don’t see much actually changing.

You are partially correct that the lone wolf will never survive in a crisis situation or the economic collapse. A well organized group or community that can provide food and shelter to support itself and defend itself most likely will survive. If you want to call that a militia or being paranoid so be it. I will keep my right to defend myself and my community. I can promise you if it ever gets to that point the gubermit won’t be here to help.

Chief, I wish there was something like that in south Alabama. Most of my like minded friends have moved out west (wyoming etc.)already.

[QUOTE=Jetryder223;123546]Kraken - I was going to jump on your post and cite examples of your flawed logic.

Then I popped over to your profile and saw you are from Norway. Knowing that, I’ll stand down. Europeans are quite different from us Yanks. What works in a somewhat affluent, small, homogenous socialist country may (will?) not work in the great melting pot that is the USA.

You are forgiven.[/QUOTE]
I can understand that it won’t work in the southern states and big multicultural like California, New York etc. but the states in the Midwest is as homogenous as northern Europe, so a welfare state should work.

But now I’m taking this thread way off topic :slight_smile: I must say it is fascinating to read threads like this, the way of thinking in the USA is like a alien planet compered to Scandinavia.

Can we just get back to talking about things we like to use to blow crap up with? Please? I offer the following and I hope that the rest of you will rise to the occasion:

My concealed carry permit finally came in not too long ago and I have been shopping around. Can’t afford a hand cannon at the moment but I need to know what I want when I can afford one. I think the PPK is the gun for me. Not too much caliber so I can still shoot it somewhat accurately and small enough that it’s easily concealed. What I really want is a 1911 but that’s just too big to be practical. If I wore a suit every day I would carry it in a shoulder holster but I don’t so my 1911 fantasies just aren’t going to be realized.

Ah Kraken, I would love to sit down and share a pint or 10 discussing our cultural differences.

Bottom line is the USA is, in many ways, still in a frontier mindset where it is expected that every able bodied man should be able to fight - with lethal force if necessary - for principles he believes in. There is a saying around here that “An armed society is a polite society.” I don’t expect you to understand or agree with that sentiment but that’s OK.

Something a little more close to home that you might understand happened about 70 years ago. Germany was set to dominate all Europe. France, Netherlands, Denmark, and other northern European countries fell with minimal effort. When Japan attacked US territory, they knew not to invade mainland US because in the words of a Jap general ’ there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass.’

My point is gun ownership is a sacred right in the USA. A gun is a tool which insures there is meat on the table, a family has a means of protection from criminals and out of control governments, and we can muster as a community to form well regulated militias if necessary. It is stated exactly as such in the amendments to the Consitution dating back to the earliest days of this country.

Again, I don’t expect you to understand or accept these principles. Perhaps it’s best for you to lurk on the sidelines and marvel at what is the American mindset

Tried to give you a thumbs up but Fd that post all up.

Well said Jet. :+1:

[QUOTE=Jetryder223;123574]Ah Kraken, I would love to sit down and share a pint or 10 discussing our cultural differences.

Bottom line is the USA is, in many ways, still in a frontier mindset where it is expected that every able bodied man should be able to fight - with lethal force if necessary - for principles he believes in. There is a saying around here that “An armed society is a polite society.” I don’t expect you to understand or agree with that sentiment but that’s OK.

Something a little more close to home that you might understand happened about 70 years ago. Germany was set to dominate all Europe. France, Netherlands, Denmark, and other northern European countries fell with minimal effort. When Japan attacked US territory, they knew not to invade mainland US because in the words of a Jap general ’ there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass.’

My point is gun ownership is a sacred right in the USA. A gun is a tool which insures there is meat on the table, a family has a means of protection from criminals and out of control governments, and we can muster as a community to form well regulated militias if necessary. It is stated exactly as such in the amendments to the Consitution dating back to the earliest days of this country.

Again, I don’t expect you to understand or accept these principles. Perhaps it’s best for you to lurk on the sidelines and marvel at what is the American mindset[/QUOTE]

:stuck_out_tongue: you don’t think we can fight? Norway lasted 2 months. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Campaign

Not to rain on your parade but the reason Japan didn’t invade US mainland was because they did not have the resources to do so.

But I can understand the allure of the gun. Was competing shooting when I was younger, Norway has a big tradition of hunting and almost every home in the rural areas has a shotgun and or a hunting rifle.

I carry a Kimber pro carry II IN 45 and a Ruger LC9 for warm weather. I don’t like to pack anything less than 9mm but any gun is better than none. Training with your gun is more important than what you carry. Train up and be responsible.

PPK or pp are fine carry guns. If you like the .45 you may also consider a Glock mod 30. Small frame .45, easy to carry and takes the high capacity mod 21 mags too ( for when you need to shoot groups of people trying to take your stuff).

My all time favorite is my tricked out series 70 in 45. The wife shoots a tricked out Lightweight Commander. I don’t feel under-gunned with her Smith 60 in 38 special.

Recently bought my wife a Barretta Nano 9mm. Fits nicely in her purse and not to big for her dainty hands. If she gets bored with it and wants something else I may borrow it as my EDC piece.

[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;123573]Can we just get back to talking about things we like to use to blow crap up with? Please? I offer the following and I hope that the rest of you will rise to the occasion:

My concealed carry permit finally came in not too long ago and I have been shopping around. Can’t afford a hand cannon at the moment but I need to know what I want when I can afford one. I think the PPK is the gun for me. Not too much caliber so I can still shoot it somewhat accurately and small enough that it’s easily concealed. What I really want is a 1911 but that’s just too big to be practical. If I wore a suit every day I would carry it in a shoulder holster but I don’t so my 1911 fantasies just aren’t going to be realized.[/QUOTE]

If you don’t want to tote a 1911, which is my all time favorite semi auto, I suggest one of the S&W M&P series. This is my full size, VTAC edition, but they make them in compact 9mm, .40, and .45. They are light and I much prefer them over most any other polymer framed pistols. If you buy one of the base models the factory trigger sucks, but that is an easy fix for a couple bucks and 5 minutes on the bench.

Kraken,

Yes - Scandinavia and USA are very different. With hundreds of relatives living in Norway and spending time there, I appreciate your views and those of my countrymen back in the US. As an Amer-Rican living in Europe, there is time appreciate the best and worst in both societies. There are days when it just sucks here, and then days when I think it would be crazy to go back to the US.

Norway - well you are truly blessed to have a huge pot of natural resources, a national population of a few million [I](as in less than the population of say … a few counties in S. Florida)[/I], and as you mention, a homogenous population. For Norwegians, one might add they generally pleased to have good governance and superb government services, from cradle to grave. It costs a lot of money - mostly generated by oil, taxes, shipping and fish.

In return, the roads and schools are excellent and there are very, very few people living badly. Not rich or over the top, but also not going homeless or without healthcare either. In the nanny state, I have met hardly anyone that does not work, but then again, I am working so I tend to see those at work. For Norway, as we know, the influence of high taxes has led to persistent national unemployment rates as high as well, say almost 2 or 3%. Even here in Germany, unemployment is low and like everyone, we are hiring.

There are lots of advantages to the Norwegian system. We will never get there in the US, and it is a waste of breath to think otherwise. At least in my lifetime, and I am too old to care much now.

The influence of monied special interests over politics in the USA generally acts against common sense, and in many senses, the common good for the little people - which hate to say it, includes you, me and every reader in this Forum. But there will never be enough time to run through it - especially with all the headwinds thrown in our faces by K Street lobbyists and others that 100% do not give a rat’s behind for the National Interests (say a strong and vibrant maritime industry), you, me or the average Joe Six Pack.

But the plain ass truth is that Americans are not giving up their guns (see the excellent comment about American spirit above), and there ain’t no one in Amerika interested in paying 45 to 50%% income tax on $45,000 income.

That is just the way it is …

Gotta go to work. Later.

Now since Jetryder brought up the WWII trivia, I want to share with everyone my most rare WWII restoration. There will 200 bonus points point’s for the person that can spot what makes this rifle so rare, and nightly grand prize American history trivia winner if you can name the month and year of this rifle as well. This is the second most rare Garand I have, but the other is post Korea, will share that one later.


This pic the rifle has the wrong bayonet and rear sight on it but it was a restoration in progress, it is now 100% correct. That is also a original 1944 ammo pouch hanging on the door of the safe as well.


This should help spot part of what makes it so rare


Look real close at the part number on the receiver


More rare parts and markings


Last pic of the evening.