Climate change

Well, in developing countries they use cellphones instead of land lines. They can drive electric vehicles (of any kind and cost) instead of gas cars. Instead of importing refined petroleum to run their fleet of vehicles, they just need solar power, hydro or wind, and instead of megastructures, they can use microgrids for residential and light commercial.

Those countries without an established infrastructure can improve their standard of living without destroying their land and at a much lesser cost than allowing foreign companies to build power plants and drain the country of its resources, only to have those same resources come back in the shape of finished products like clothing or gasoline/diesel.

where are shellfish having a problem?

its graffiti

:grinning: Thanks for making my point.

The Big Tobacco analogy to how leaders are handling the ACC crisis is a good one. Here’s another: Covid19. The same leaders that told us C19 was a hoax, that it would go away by April, that it’s just the sniffles, that it’s a Chinese conspiracy, are saying the same exact things about anthropogenic climate change. These leaders, in my country, are closing in on about 300,000 reasons why they’re wrong, and that’s in just 8 months.

And you want me to trust them and wait 80 years to see the result? :rofl:

Maybe you can find something wrong with that statement, but I think it is OK.
Of course Norway has fewer “nutcases” by virtue of it’s small population.
But Norway also has less “nutcases” relative to the population. (I.e. per Capita)

Don’t ask for proof, just accept it as a fact.

“Feely can’t say for sure whether acidic waters are to blame. He and other scientists have started to work with an oyster hatchery in the region to install an observing system that regularly records pH levels of the seawater pumped into the hatchery”.

yep, a story with a data collected over a short period of time but little facts on shellfish
probably a new chemical farmers are using?

Once again, the Big Tobacco plan to deal with mounting evidence: deny, deny , deny. Here’s more evidence to deny:

got any studies from outside the polluted USA?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Now you’re reaching. Stick with what you’re good at. Just deny, deny, deny. Worked for Big Tobacco for 50 years.

You are talking about state governors, most especially New York. Disgraceful, I agree totally. They killed the elderly deliberately by forcing them out of hospitals and into care homes to infect other vulnerable inmates.

No. Vote them out. I can’t.

From NOAA:
Elsewhere in the world, ocean acidification is weakening coral structures in the Caribbean and in cold-water reefs in waters off of Scotland and Norway. It is also a concern for the Great Barrier Reef, where living corals have declined by half over the past three decades, reducing habitat for fish and the resilience of the entire reef system. Native fisheries in Patagonian waters may also be threatened, and dramatic change is apparent in the Antarctic, where the frigid waters can hold so much carbon dioxide that shelled creatures dissolve in the corrosive conditions, affecting food sources for fish, birds, and marine mammals.

You can look this stuff up yourself. It’s not hard.

everyone forgets that all the carbon sequested that we are now releasing was once in the atmosphere and the ocean became acidic as thats what created the dead organisims that make the oil we now put back into the atmosphere…

I cant see the problem
Florida is made from coral, who killed that off?

Are you a specialist in ocean chemistry? An oceanographer specializing in coral formation? Do you have a degree in aquaculture? Have you traveled the world studying the problem? How many people in he above named disciplines have you conversed with on the problem? What is the likelihood that you live in a news echo chamber, hearing mostly what you want to hear? Zero percent? Fifty percent? 75 Percent?

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I’d love to find this actual site where the oceans are verifiably acidic (rather than their normal strongly basic state). There’s some around undersea volcanoes (but not your general run-of-the-mill oyster farms) and life adjacent to those is teeming.

You do know even rainwater is acidic (absorbing CO2 as it falls). It’s such a evil threat we should ban it. Think of the damage acid can do to forests and crops.

one piece of research gets posted one million times and it becomes fact, thats where you are living

You had to bring up Florida…

yes the land is going down

unfortunately man hasnt stopped the planet from doing what it always has but it makes great headlines for those that cant see that fact.

Simple. Research the NOAA data. It’s not that hard. Look it up. But it’s always best for you to stick with tried and true principles of disinformation…

Take your own advice. I challenge you to find an ocean that is verifiably acidic. Bet you can’t.