If they pay me 280 pay I’ll be fine, but if they pay me less, I’m going to ask for transfer back to the gulf so I won’t have to deal with this bouncing around. Guess I’ll find out in another day or so.
Hopefully power230 is correct about a second raise coming after the first of the year for the foreign divisions. Otherwise it makes better economic sense to transfer back to the GoM where there are a higher concentration of 280’s versus remain in Brazil with the fleet of old 190’s and 240’s.
You figure they would have learned a lesson after the spill, when they found out the hard way we didn’t have as many mariners as they thought with oceans endorsements. If you don’t pay extra for having the endorsements no one will get them. As I stated before vessel size is one thing but you have to pay for the license as well. There’s not many masters in my division with Oceans yet alone chief engineers. It wont be long before drilling is past the near coastal line. DDE unlimited with the C/E OSV and NC 1600 masters and chief limited NC won’t cut it. Same with the 6000 ITC, it doesn’t turn oceans for the engineer with the DDE Unlimited.
$280 a day for what position?
Sorry I think I read the post wrong
[QUOTE=power230;59462]You figure they would have learned a lesson after the spill, when they found out the hard way we didn’t have as many mariners as they thought with oceans endorsements. If you don’t pay extra for having the endorsements no one will get them. As I stated before vessel size is one thing but you have to pay for the license as well. There’s not many masters in my division with Oceans yet alone chief engineers. It wont be long before drilling is past the near coastal line. DDE unlimited with the C/E OSV and NC 1600 masters and chief limited NC won’t cut it. Same with the 6000 ITC, it doesn’t turn oceans for the engineer with the DDE Unlimited.[/QUOTE]
6000 ITC can be endorsed oceans, and you can take a boat international.
Another loop hole for the oil field huh? Makes sense to let a dde unlimited get a 6000 itc oceans now doesn’t! Doesn’t surprise me one bit. Keep a 3000 itc C/E osv near coastal domestic voyages but yet get a 6000 itc and let you take it anywhere in the world. First that I have heard of it. I know if you have a chief limited oceans you can get a 6000 itc with oceans but not the dde unlimited way.
[QUOTE=aCaptain;59408]The new pay scale tied to “vessel class” was least generous to the 200 Ton Masters on the Chouest crewboats working in foreign waters. The Chouest crewboats in Brazil & Africa require 200 Ton licenses, whereas in the US, the same boats are run by 100 Ton Masters. With this new system, the crewboat captains in Brazil, therefore, only received a $10/day boost in pay.[/QUOTE]
I humbly disagree (about the 200 Ton Master on Crewboats being least generous)…the tugs didn’t get anything on this raise. LOL
[QUOTE=power230;59492]Another loop hole for the oil field huh? Makes sense to let a dde unlimited get a 6000 itc oceans now doesn’t! Doesn’t surprise me one bit. Keep a 3000 itc C/E osv near coastal domestic voyages but yet get a 6000 itc and let you take it anywhere in the world. First that I have heard of it. I know if you have a chief limited oceans you can get a 6000 itc with oceans but not the dde unlimited way.[/QUOTE]
Once you get to DDE unlimited horsepower, it crosses over to Chief OSV for the asking. I am not up to speed enough on engineering licenses to know if that can be endorsed Oceans. I just know it is possible for 6000 OSV to be Oceans endorsed, I don’t know what the requirements for the license being endorsed have to be for that to happen.
I definitely hope you’re right because they’re going to lose people down here in Brazil. Can’t seem to get a response on the matter from our coordinators.
[QUOTE=Diesel;59517]Once you get to DDE unlimited horsepower, it crosses over to Chief OSV for the asking. I am not up to speed enough on engineering licenses to know if that can be endorsed Oceans. I just know it is possible for 6000 OSV to be Oceans endorsed, I don’t know what the requirements for the license being endorsed have to be for that to happen.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding, the only way to get Oceans on a 6000 ITc is with the Chief limited oceans or 16000vTon master with Oceans. All others will be limited to domestic near coastal voyages. That’s why I said they need to pay by the license as well as the vessel class. No reason or motivation for people to upgrade. Why should a DDE Unlimited (Example) with the Chief OSV upgrade? 3/4 of the guys can’t pass the electrical and if they do to get the DDE unlimited they stop there. Once yo get the DDE unlimited you can pretty much sail any vessel at ECO with the exception of a few unlimited vessels by getting the 6000 ITC. However your stuck domestic near coastal voyages. I’m sure you remember the email that went around after the spill wanting to know who had oceans with sending all the boats over seas. There’s nothing extra in it for the guys to get the Oceans. Both employee and the company will benefit by getting oceans.
46 CFR 11.501©
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(2) Designated duty engineers with no horsepower limitations may serve on any waters.
I’ve never sailed OSVs to know but are you all saying that getting the Chief OSV put on a DDE Unlimited would negate that and restrict you to Near Coastal even though you have an Oceans License?
That is correct. When you put the osv on the DDE unlimited it is restricted to domestic near coastal voyages only. You keep the oceans but limited to 500 tons on the DDE only.
Where is that written? I realize I’m preaching to the choir here, but that makes no sense at all.
Does a DDE Unlimited have a tonnage restriction?
[QUOTE=Capt. Schmitt;59548]Does a DDE Unlimited have a tonnage restriction?[/QUOTE]
500 tons. Chief Limited is restricted to 1600 tons.
[QUOTE=power230;59520]From my understanding, the only way to get Oceans on a 6000 ITc is with the Chief limited oceans or 16000vTon master with Oceans. All others will be limited to domestic near coastal voyages. That’s why I said they need to pay by the license as well as the vessel class. No reason or motivation for people to upgrade. Why should a DDE Unlimited (Example) with the Chief OSV upgrade? 3/4 of the guys can’t pass the electrical and if they do to get the DDE unlimited they stop there. Once yo get the DDE unlimited you can pretty much sail any vessel at ECO with the exception of a few unlimited vessels by getting the 6000 ITC. However your stuck domestic near coastal voyages. I’m sure you remember the email that went around after the spill wanting to know who had oceans with sending all the boats over seas. There’s nothing extra in it for the guys to get the Oceans. Both employee and the company will benefit by getting oceans.[/QUOTE]
You got it right.
So Chief OSV 6000 coupled with a DDE Unlimited means you can be chief engineer on Oceans, limited to 500grt, or chief engineer on Near Costal OSVs over 500grt but not more than 6000gt itc.
50 extra to work on a 240’ here in Brazil. Looks like its time to work on a 280’ (where they’re getting 100$) down here or back in the Gulf where the stability of staying on one boat is better. This raise isn’t too appealing for us to be working abroad compared to the gulf.
I Do Know it is time for another pay raise…