China & Russia to attack Hawaii?

yes he died but the people he trained are in the party he formed and are still calling the shots.
Have they change the CCP constitution since he was around?
The CCP are behaving like a bunch of spoiled brats who are more concerned with control of everything to remain in power then anything else.

Yes, they changed a rule so that Xi can be President for life.

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The tittle President is not so important. He has been General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman of the Central Military Commission since 2012,

Mao never held the Presidency but he ruled China as Chairman for 27 years.(1949-76)
He was Chairman of the CCP from 1943 until his death in 1976.

Correct Bug, the title president is not important because he’s a dictator not a president. Very astute observation.

RE: The articles about “China nuking Japan”
If you read the Australian article closely, the Chinese government did not threaten to nuke Japan. Someone in the CCP did. Big difference. The videos were taken down from the internet by the Chinese goverment, reposted, and then taken down again.

Standard good cop/bad cop power politics. Xi wants to punish Japan for letting its minister dare to suggest Japan should help Taiwan. Also, the surest way to keep control over your own people is saber-rattling. Makes you look tough. So Xi has someone in the Party makes a threat anonymously (the videos), ginning-up the Chinese people, but Xi says nothing, so it doesn’t upset world diplomacy.

The fact that Xi himself did not make the threat speaks volumes. The only reason he wouldn’t is because he is afraid of global political blowback. Key word: afraid.

This reminds me of the pipsqueak in NK threatening to send missiles to Japan and Guam and Hawaii, and the USA reminding him we would flatten him if he did. An annual ritual nowadays.

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How would China and Russia attack Hawaii? What would be the objective? Conquering means boots on the ground. But our satellites would detect any army mobilizing for an amphibious attack, making invasion suicidal unless the enemy has an overwhelming advantage in carrier battle groups, missiles, and submarines.

NATO has 15 CBG, if you count the UK, France, and Italy’s carriers/navies. China and Russia have only 3. NATO has similar advantages in submarines and missiles. Any enemy CBG accompanied by an amphibious landing force would be annihilated by cruise missiles long before it reached Pearl Harbor.

China just lobbing missiles at Hawaii? What does it gain? NATO would lob missiles back at China. Trade between China and NATO would stop. China’s economy would crash. The manufacture of computer chips, etc., would shift to the West. Chinese assets and bank accounts would be seized. If things escalated, NATO would declare a blockade around China, cutting off a large amount of food reaching the country. I just don’t see China making this miscalculation.

Nuke Hawaii? The USA, Russia, and China still operate under the MAD policy: Mutually Assured Destruction. You nuke me, and I nuke you, until all the nukes are fired. Up-side: no more global warming, because of the nuclear winter. :smiley: Downside, Nobody to enjoy the year-round skiing. :worried:

That is the reality and is not likely to change anytime soon, which is highly unlikely.
That would take all politicians (and the ones that actually control them) becoming sensible individuals, not greedy, power-hungry and self-promoting.

Any war directly involving the three “superpowers” would not be a repeat of WWII, where young men (and women) are sent to faraway countries to gallantly fight a monstrous enemy in fair battles, some of them returning home alive to victory parades and kisses at Time Square. (or eqv.)

Tough talk for a home audience is normal on all sides, but let’s hope it stop there, otherwise Armageddon is coming before anybody is ready.

I prefer to get my information from reliable sources, not from news sources with an agenda and shrill propaganda.

Here is one of the most reliable sources available in my opinion:

Did you ever hear about your ‘someone in the CCP’ declare his real own opinion, without immediately being an ex-member of the party… and worse?

You did not read my post closely. In it, I said,

Like I said, standard good cop/bad cop routine. It has another benefit, too. It allows Xi to see who in the Party doesn’t clap loud enough to the saber-rattling, and mark them down in his book as unreliable.

Maybe I’m reading things wrong, but it almost seems to me a few posters here seem to want war with China. Reminds me of the run-up to the Iraq War. Careful: things can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Another thing:
Seldom do I hear anyone talking about the middle-term economic effects in the event that China’s export dominance fades. Let’s say within five years all the manufacturing capacity that the USA has lost comes back to our shores. Sounds good to me. I’m all for it. But I’m old enough to ask the question, What would be the biggest impact?

Skyrocketing inflation. Not the little bump we’ve seen with the Pandemic. One reason wages have been stagnant so long in the USA, and inflation has been a minor 2% per year, is because cheap Chinese manufactured goods tend to decrease inflationary pressures.

If you move the production of t-shirts from China to the USA, the price will increase by 2 to 3 times. The cost of an iPhone made in the USA has been estimated at $2000, rather than the present $600, because labor and production prices are higher in the USA. The same is true for any manufactured good.

Because prices would increase overnight, so would wages.That’s inflation. As wages increase, factories would have to charge more for goods, prolonging the inflationary cycle. Eventually things would stabilize, but there would be an economic bellyache for years. How bad? Who can say?

This is the stuff few people think about. War is glamorous. Economics are dull, but dangerous.

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I know this, if VOA, Stars & Stripes or any US government funded news agency advocated a nuclear attack on any country for any reason @ombugge would flip out of his gourd & have 10 different threads going saying the US is the worst country on the planet ever. A couple of the pro-China / pro-socialist / post-communist commenters on the forum would agree with him. But China does it against non-nuclear pacifist Japan & not a peep. Nada, no outrage, no indignation. All is well in the world. Just goes to show many people don’t base their opinions on principles but on political ideology where anything is acceptable as long it is for the cause.

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Coming from the puppet who pushes pro China BS all over this forum that’s very rich.

My post says the same thing as Encyclopedia Britannica. He can now be President for life. They took away term limits from the constitution and then “unanimously” voted him to another term. He’s a dictator, regardless of what title you want to give him.

Xi has a foot in the past and one in the future. He is governing like Mao but with the advantage of modern surveillance technology that is far more advanced than anything dreamed up by George Orwell. China controls the land where 4 of the most important rivers in Asia have their headwaters and is moving towards control over the South China Sea.
The worry in all this is Japan has the ability to become a nuclear power in a very short time and Taiwan not long after. Pakistan and India are already nuclear armed and now China is making moves in Afghanistan. China has decided that they can ignore world opinion, crushing dissent in their own country while forcing acquiescence through trade or loans in smaller countries.
It seems that mankind hasn’t learned anything in the last 85 years.

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Cuba couldn’t stay mired in 1952 for ever, there is a limit you can keep even a caddie running. You have to admit that the US health system while having the best health system that money can buy has a very poor return on the dollar.

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I just pointed out what is common knowledge; in China the position of President isn’t the important one, it is that of General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman of the Central Military Commission.
It appears that there are some who are pushing for a war with China. (Not only on this forum, but in the Congress and Senate as well)

They would be well advised to consider that China isn’t anything like Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Vietnam. They have the ability to hit back with same type of weapons as used against them. They have satellites in orbit that give them the ability know the position of “enemy” ships and planes anywhere on earth and the ability hit ships >3000 miles away from their coast.

You can think that I’m just some idiot that is blindly backing China as much as you want, but that is far from the truth. I’m just not dumb enough to believe in propaganda from any side. I’m able to make my own judgement, based on fact, not wishful thinking and beliefs.

The economical rise of China is inevitable and everybody would be better off accepting that fact, not trying to stop it.
Those who have been in China would have noticed the changes that has happened in the last 40 years.
The China of the 1980s was nothing like the China of today, both materialistically and politically. The dependence on export is fast changing to one of domestic consumption and service. They have a bit to go before those becomes 70% of GDP, but that may not even be their aim.

You don’t know me.

You can pontificate all you want with conviction. What’s your point? I can find “facts” about anything but the first question is … what’s the source? Why should I believe them anymore than anyone else? It’s about context.

You need to read this.

Given your expert opinion on just about everything that pops up on this website, you’re the first guy I have suspicions about. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And that retort only underscores your utter failure in understanding anything about the USA. Our MSM has a credibility factor as bad as our Congressional representatives. Most savvy Americans go find truth on anything outside of what is served up in the media … or heard from Politicians. Like others, I go look for information about something from a variety of sources.

Surely the last person I’m gonna believe about anything is some guy like you throwing numbers out there on some commentary board.
“Hey where did you get that info from?”
“Oh, this guy named ombugge :innocent: on that gCaptain website. He knows everything!”
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Likewise!!!

Yes I have. City Journal and the Manhattan Institute is not exactly what I’ll call an unbiased source of information.

BTW; The numbers I quoted came from the source I linked to:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
PS> The numbers would be slightly different now, since the site is updated at least daily.

automation removes the wage problem Apple move production back and forward from China to USA for many products.
Freight prices must be biting in by now and production will be heading home for lots of stuff.

They also move their tax offices back and forth between Ireland, Nevada etc., to avoid taxes. Sadly as an individual I cannot do that. But, they write the rules.

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