1600 master....adding unlimited endorsement

Maritime Topics 500 Ton Master Upgrade
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[QUOTE=“Xmsccapt(ret);108373”]

Interesting, What type of vessel would run inland of unlimited tonnage? I’m curious… ( associating " inland " with push boats and the like). Great lakes?[/QUOTE]

The inland license does not cover the great lakes, that requires “Great Lakes and Inland”. Mississippi River is inland and ferries like the Cape May/Lewes ferry. The reason it was suggested was because it is a direct crossover to second mate AGT and is a direct crossover from 1600 ton master near coastal/oceans. So essentially you can go straight from 1600 ton master NC/ocean to 2M AGT with one application and a few tests.

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[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;108212]“Unlimited” doesn’t appear on any license, it is a slang term for a license “of any gross tons”.[/QUOTE]

You’re generally right, “any gross tons” is the term in the CFR. However, “unlimited” is used in 46 CFR 11.401©: “Near coastal endorsements for any gross tons require the same number of years as the ocean unlimited endorsements.”

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I know you have the CFR’s down and like to think I do as well, but I’m having a hard time figuring out where the crossover to the AGT Master inland with just the 1,600 nc/o? Just curious to see the writing, something I should probably do…maybe an NVIC I have overlooked? Or counting the wheel man/quartermaster etc time as that in which you sailed on the 1,600.

The sticking point is time over 1,600… how the hell do you get that wheelhouse time if its out of the scope of your license? Who has quartermasters and wheelmen; maybe DPO time is being used in this context?

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[QUOTE=“z-drive;108395”]I know you have the CFR’s down and like to think I do as well, but I’m having a hard time figuring out where the crossover to the AGT Master inland with just the 1,600 nc/o? Just curious to see the writing, something I should probably do…maybe an NVIC I have overlooked? Or counting the wheel man/quartermaster etc time as that in which you sailed on the 1,600.[/QUOTE]

Marine Safety Manual, Volume III, chapter 10, paragraph c, 3. (<-- from memory)

Sorry, chapter 10, section C, paragraph 3. And it reads:

Mariners holding a license as Master 1600 GT Oceans or Near Coastal may apply for a Master Any GT Inland license utilizing 46 CFR 10.435. A tonnage limitation will be placed on the Inland license as per 46 CFR 10.402(b) and ©. Mariners may remove the tonnage limitation on the Inland license by serving one year on vessels over 1600 GT

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[QUOTE=“z-drive;108395”]The sticking point is time over 1,600… how the hell do you get that wheelhouse time if its out of the scope of your license? Who has quartermasters and wheelmen; maybe DPO time is being used in this context?[/QUOTE]

You don’t need time over 1600, just over 200. They put a restriction on your license then you get time over 1600 to lift that restriction. You can theoretically go all the way up to Chief Mate with a tonnage restriction if you want to…

(You can also use ATB time to count as tonnage because you can count the barge tonnage for part of your sea time on a 2:1 basis.)

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[QUOTE=z-drive;108395]…I’m having a hard time figuring out where the crossover to the AGT Master inland with just the 1,600 nc/o?.. [/QUOTE]

I’m not sure there is one, particularly to or via 2nd Mate AGT. I wasn’t able to find one, but only searched briefly. I’m not currently able to make a conclusive search, so perhaps someone else can provide specific citations?

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[QUOTE=“jdcavo;108413”]I’m not sure there is one, particularly to or via 2nd Mate AGT. I wasn’t able to find one, but only searched briefly. I’m not currently able to make a conclusive search, so perhaps someone else can provide specific citations?[/QUOTE]

It isn’t in the CFR.

Marine Safety Manual Vol III
Chapter 10, Section C, Paragraph 3

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A lot of pilots have AGT Inland licenses.

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[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;108362]Incorrect, you have to take the five master AGT Inland exams.[/QUOTE] Maybe I just slipped thru the cracks then:)

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[QUOTE=“Azimuth;108476”] Maybe I just slipped thru the cracks then:)[/QUOTE]

Lucky you. They aren’t very hard though, especially if you have a 1600 oceans.

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[QUOTE=“Bayrunner;108466”]A lot of pilots have AGT Inland licenses.[/QUOTE]

Because you qualify for one after being a pilot for a year. They don’t need it for anything other than being able to call themselves “captain”.

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I’m offended they replaced my Able Seaman Unlimited with Able Seafarer Deck.