I completely understand my training program and that completing the program at the academy gives me the 1080 days and credentials needed to sit for 3/m exams and that it is all necessary. I understand that processing fish does not count as sea days. I worked as “cadet” for 90 days on an OSV. The CFRs state that anyone doing 12 hr service on an authorized vessel with the exceptions of firemen, coal passers etc can be granted 1.5X time. Basically im just wanting to know whether the NMC and USCG will recognize that time as time and a half. The school does a poor job of helping us if we ever get “out of sequence” in understanding our options. I’m also suppose to get on a rig this summer to do some DP training as Ive completed the simulator course as well. School says they will not recognize that as time either. Mostly trying to find out options. Ive been in touch with the NMC just waiting for response. Thanks a bunch for everyones responses.[/QUOTE]
If the school is not sending you to that MODU, then it shouldn’t count. You are the trainee, they are the trainer who seeks approval from USCG. Not the other way around. And if your academy is sending deck cadets to MODUs for sea time they might as well close the place down. Do something useful and go to an OSV.
Nothing quite like a career going from 3m to unlimited master via ‘sea time’ on MODUs. Yeah! Lots of money and no practical experience. Long live the USMM…
If the school is not sending you to that MODU, then it shouldn’t count. You are the trainee, they are the trainer who seeks approval from USCG. Not the other way around. And if your academy is sending deck cadets to MODUs for sea time they might as well close the place down. Do something useful and go to an OSV.
Nothing quite like a career going from 3m to unlimited master via ‘sea time’ on MODUs. Yeah! Lots of money and no practical experience. Long live the USMM…[/QUOTE]
What’s the problem going up to Master on a MODU? I think my skill set could rival most.
If the school is not sending you to that MODU, then it shouldn’t count. You are the trainee, they are the trainer who seeks approval from USCG. Not the other way around. And if your academy is sending deck cadets to MODUs for sea time they might as well close the place down. Do something useful and go to an OSV.
Nothing quite like a career going from 3m to unlimited master via ‘sea time’ on MODUs. Yeah! Lots of money and no practical experience. Long live the USMM…[/QUOTE]
Im beginning to realize that the people in charge of the licensing department here are seat fillers at best. The same lady who told me my time on an OSV working 12 hour days wouldn’t count as time and a half, and who also told me my time on the MODU won’t count, just approved my buddy for 130 days of time as a deckhand on a yacht that wasn’t school sanctioned… Seems to be some confusion on both ends of what constitutes sea time here at the academies.
[QUOTE=saltedsea;128613]Im beginning to realize that the people in charge of the licensing department here are seat fillers at best. The same lady who told me my time on an OSV working 12 hour days wouldn’t count as time and a half, and who also told me my time on the MODU won’t count, just approved my buddy for 130 days of time as a deckhand on a yacht that wasn’t school sanctioned… Seems to be some confusion on both ends of what constitutes sea time here at the academies.[/QUOTE]
CFR’s, CFR’s, CFR’s!!! When one of these numbskulls does something stupid in regards to licensing pound the law! If you can’t pound the law, pound the table! If you can’t pound the table, pound them! If the CFR’s aren’t on your side then nothing and no one can help you…
"(c) Curriculum.
(1) The minimum period of training shall be three (3) years. For the Cadets and Midshipmen at the schools located in California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York and Texas at least six (6) months of the total time must be aboard a Training Ship in cruise status. A maximum of two (2) months of training time aboard commercial vessels of not less than 2,500 horsepower may be substituted for two (2) months of the specified cruise time. For the cadets at the Great Lakes Maritime Academy, six (6) months of the time shall be aboard Great Lakes commercial vessels and an additional three (3) months shall be aboard either a Training Ship in a cruise status or Great Lakes commercial vessels while underway. Cadets in training status aboard commercial vessels shall sign on board as cadets and shall pursue their training within the framework of formal sea projects prepared and monitored by their respective Schools.
(2) State authorities shall prescribe and be responsible for the courses of instruction and general system of training and the addition of such reasonable maritime courses as may be prescribed by Federal authorities, subject to approval by the Maritime Administrator. The curriculum as a composite shall, as a minimum, meet the requirements set out in the Federal Curriculum Standards for Merchant Marine Officers Training Program"
(2) State authorities shall prescribe and be responsible for the courses of instruction and general system of training and the addition of such reasonable maritime courses as may be prescribed by Federal authorities, subject to approval by the Maritime Administrator. The curriculum as a composite shall, as a minimum, meet the requirements set out in the Federal Curriculum Standards for Merchant Marine Officers Training Program"[/QUOTE]
That won’t get you very far. All that does is tell you how much sea time you need while you’re at an Academy but it doesn’t say anything about USCG testing. What you need to find is specifically what the CFR’s say you need in order to qualify to sit for your exams. Whatever CFR citation you use needs to mention testing and/or licensing specifically or else it won’t do you any good.
Im beginning to realize that the people in charge of the licensing department here are seat fillers at best. The same lady who told me my time on an OSV working 12 hour days wouldn’t count as time and a half, and who also told me my time on the MODU won’t count, just approved my buddy for 130 days of time as a deckhand on a yacht that wasn’t school sanctioned… Seems to be some confusion on both ends of what constitutes sea time here at the academies.[/QUOTE]
Do not let douche bag classmates leapfrog you by way of fraud sanctioned by douchebag administrators. If the chain of command is broken, then skip a few links. Talk to the Dean, talk to the so called supt. You’re going to have to get your own back a lot once you get out here, so might as well start now.
At the end of the day, its just a punk ass maritime academy, not the military. They aren’t going to try you at a courts martial. The last thing they want is the uscg reevaluating the program.
Sea time on yachts? I’d almost rather see them on a MODU by comparison.
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;128624]That won’t get you very far. All that does is tell you how much sea time you need while you’re at an Academy but it doesn’t say anything about USCG testing. [/QUOTE]
Actually, it does. It’s incorporated by reference in 46 CFR 11.407(a)(2)(iv) and 11.516(a)(3)(iv)
This is my first time joining any type of form so forgive me if this is considered a thread jack, I dont know how to set up a thread yet.
My Question is: I work on a fire boat 485 tons, I am a 3rd assistant engineer unlimited, I work 24 hour shifts most of the time, how many days in the engine room am I entitled to in a 24 hour period?
2 days. Only because your shift will actually encompass 8hours on two separate calendar days. However never will you get 1.5 days credit for the same day. Thus you can’t get 3 days credit for two days work like the deck dept could
That is probably only possible if the vessel is authorized for a 2 watch system. I can stand all the 6 hour bridge watches I want to on a ship, but there is absolutely nothing saying the USCG has to give day and a half sea time.