First of all there is no way to make a ship in a way that is carbon neutral. Let alone run an office that is.
If one was to be optimistic perhaps lines could use nuclear powered ships. Of course that would be possibly as revolutionary as containerization. In any case 2030 sounds wildly optimistic and is either a talking point for stock brokers to feel nice or “carbon neutral” can be achieved technically via carbon credits.
Either way the world needs to come to terms that their consumer goods are made and get to them at some cost to the environment and no petition or Facebook post is going to change that.
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Sure hence my push for whole lifecycle carbon rating, no different than counting calories in food or costs in production to calculate value added taxes on the manufacturing process.
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How about the antifoul, is that going zero emission?
The industry tried and they worked out its too hard so gave up
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mariner, thanks for your thoughtful reply. It is encouraging that we can have a civil discussion on important subjects, even we may disagree on certain points.
Keep in touch.
PS> Maybe their Swedish Meatballs should be made from Soya, or at least from meat that come from zero emission cows.
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Maersk is gaining a following towards zero emission goal:
Even P&I Club Skuld gets involved:
“Harvey Gulf, one of the world’s premier deep water marine transportation companies”
It must be in a small “world”. (GoM?)
Impressive that their ships can perform transportation in deep water, though
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European Shipowners are not against anything to do with reducing emission from ships:
So far not much progress has been made in the overall emissions from shipping:
A few electric ferries doesn’t help much, nor does more rules, apparently.
Yeah, I’m going to be honest. No regulatory agency understands what the lifecycle of a vessel is. Or how carbon emissions actually work. Hydrogen isn’t clean unless you make it with nuclear power. In California, we have a lovely agency named CARB. They are proposing a regulation for Commercial Harbor Craft that will just drive companies out of the state. CARB used the USCG PSIX index to take a count of all CHC vessels, and overcounted by 30 percent.
TLDR: Governments make emissions laws based on feelings, not facts.
Doesn’t hydro, wind and solar qualify??
PS> There are also tides, ocean waves and currents that is used to produce clean power.
Biogas from garbage, manure, algae and other organic matters may also count as “clean and green” power.
Nothing can truly be clean. Manufacturing causes emissions, solar panels are good until they go bad, then you have to toss them. Wind farms kill birds, and the blades cant be recycled. We should just go back to Sailing Merchant Vessels lol!
And built of wood, with bark sails??
Wait a minute, that means cutting down trees, which absorbs CO2, which cause global warming.
You Can’t Win!!!
True but you made it clear: zero emissions is unreal…
What we need is a better balance.
Making energy cleaner step by step by carefully egineered means.
…It seems not so easy.
Almost one on the way:
Also, you’ve covered this?
Or maybe I haven’t noticed…
From Daniel Oberhaus Science
Mar 19, 2020