Your gCaptain team misses this bit of news of the ridiculous

ACH, the indubitable Mister Scott…a chief engineer’s chief engineer!

James Doohan’s inspiration for Scotty was according to Wikipedia

Doohan…decided to use a Scottish accent on the basis that he thought Scottish people make the best engineers. Doohan himself chose Scotty’s first name of Montgomery in honor of his maternal grandfather, James Montgomery. In a third-season production memo, Roddenberry said Doohan “is capable of handling anything we throw at him” and that the “dour Scot” works better when being protective of the ship’s engines.

Scotty lad…we’s hardly knews yah!

any of this sinking into your pointy head there Fraq?

[QUOTE=renoun;142754]There’s more information about the Tacoma casualty in the 8/22 WSF Weekly Update.[/QUOTE]

OK, so a circuit protection device functions as intended and that is what apparently destroyed the entire propulsion and power generation system. Color me confused.

[QUOTE=Steamer;142799]OK, so a circuit protection device functions as intended and that is what apparently destroyed the entire propulsion and power generation system. Color me confused.[/QUOTE]

nothing to be confused about…this is nothing other than BULLSHIT smoke to try to exonerate the engineers on the TACOMA that day.

[QUOTE=c.captain;142813]…this is nothing other than BULLSHIT smoke…[/QUOTE]

Well that is probably half right … they have generated a lot of electrical smoke at WSF lately and that is no bullshit!

It seems electricity is a difficult medium for them to contain. Maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to play with it anymore. Or, maybe the CG should finally come to their senses and admit that electric is just as much a mode of propulsion as steam or motor or gas turbine and require formal training for those in charge of it.

That might reduce newspaper sales on board since the engineers would have to pay more attention to the console than the sports page but, hey, life is tough for everyone these days.

Remember it’s my boat your just the chauffeur. I don’t beam red shirts down anywhere. I do look up at the bridge and see red shirts staring down at me while playing with their phones though.

We moved a WS ferry out of dry dock once. They had no deckhands onboard, just three engineers. Those guys just sat there smoking and joking as the old man and I brought it out of dry dock and then tied their ferry up for them.

well, it appears that the local media isn’t prepared to just give the WSF as simple pass on recent events…GOOD!

[B]Lawmakers turn up the heat on troubled ferry system[/B]

Mechanical problems, errors and personnel issues are prompting lawmakers and others to discuss how to fix the Washington State Ferries system.

By Mike Lindblom and Joseph O’Sullivan

As lawmakers call for hearings and sackings, the head of Washington State Ferries says the public ought to focus on what he calls an unparalleled safety and reliability record.

Capt. George Capacci, interim director, defended his agency Tuesday in the wake of recent problems — including Friday’s overloading of the Seattle-bound Cathlamet, which had to return to Bremerton. Nearly 500 people exited the boat, at the urging of crew and law-enforcement officers.

A boat stall, personnel issues and smoldering electrical parts that prompted passengers to don life vests have also bedeviled the nation’s largest ferry system.

On the other hand, vessels completed 99.5 percent of their scheduled sailings between January and June, slightly better than a year ago, according to the ferry system, which has not yet released numbers for July.

“We are still carrying 450 trips a day, going back and forth across Puget Sound and the Salish Sea,” said Capacci, who moved to Washington from B.C. Ferries in 2009. About 60,000 passengers ride state ferries daily. “The 480 people that got off the Cathlamet, they all got to the (Seahawks) game. They arrived in time for kickoff,” he said.

The incidents have drawn new attention from Gov. Jay Inslee, who asked Transportation Secretary Lynn Peterson “to come up with a plan to improve reliability in the system,” said governor’s spokesman David Postman. Inslee also plans to meet with worried lawmakers whose constituents depend on ferries.

Rep. Larry Seaquist, D-Gig Harbor, and Rep. Norma Smith, R-Clinton, called on Inslee in June to conduct an independent review of ferries management. They say Capacci and other administrators brushed off their questions about ferries that listed, and how the bottoms of cars scraped a new ferry during loading.

Ferry administrators downplayed any problem before eventually reversing course: three listing ferries were leveled using ballast, saving money on fuel; and the ramp troubles will be fixed through partial redesign of new boats. Smith faults Capacci in both incidents.

“I think he has to own the operational decisions that have been made under his watch,” she said.

Seaquist said he hears complaints that ferry workers endure an “incompetent and hostile work environment,” which he blamed for a shortage of masters, mates, deckhands and ticket sellers.

“My view is Capacci is part of the problem with those in leadership,” said Seaquist. “He must go.”

Capacci withdrew from consideration for permanent ferries chief this summer. Peterson passed over the other finalist, former Pierce County Executive John Ladenburg. A new search is being conducted.

Asked if lawmakers’ criticism caused him to withdraw, Capacci said, “No, I can stand the heat,” adding he’d like to stay as deputy chief for operations and construction.

The summer tourist season was jolted when the ferry Tacoma lost power July 29 near Bainbridge Island. The vessel was safely towed to port. The stall cut the Seattle-Bainbridge Island route down to one ferry, the Walla Walla. Though the Coast Guard allowed 1,200 aboard, crews loaded only 600 people, aggravating commuter delays.

Capacci said Tuesday he hasn’t yet finished his review of mistakes in the underloading of the Walla Walla, or the overloading of the Cathlamet last week. He attributes the Cathlamet incident to “human error” by crews dealing with the opening week of football crowds.

“What would be a bigger mistake would be to sail over capacity and put anyone at risk,” he said.

A repair plan from Siemens is forthcoming on the Tacoma, whose electrical components are about two decades old.

However, the vessel was due for regular maintenance from October to December. That raises the possibility it’s out until early 2015. “I would rather have that done right than quick,” Capacci said.

Sen. Christine Rolfes, D-Bainbridge Island, says she believes the system is being affected by the absence of operations director Steve Rodgers, who has been on administrative leave since July 3, during an internal investigation.

“The time frame that they’ve been without an operations director coincides with a lot of the mechanical problems and communication issues,” said Rolfes.

There’s been no permanent ferries chief since David Moseley retired in April; an engineering director and senior port captain position are vacant.

As for critiques the system is mismanaged, Capacci pointed to the 60-year-old Evergreen State, which broke down Saturday. It was restored to the Fauntleroy-Vashon-Southworth triangle route Monday after mechanics worked all day Sunday, he said.

“Does that kind of thing happen for an organization that doesn’t have some management, or intelligent life at work? I don’t think so,” he said.

Sen. Curtis King, R-Yakima, mentioned the idea Monday of the Legislature authorizing an independent review.

“We can’t continue to operate this system the way it’s been operating the last few months and few years,” said King, co-chair of the Senate Transportation Committee.

Rep. Drew Hansen, D-Bainbridge Island, said a legislative review shouldn’t be necessary to fix poor customer service.

“The ferries’ customer service these last few weeks has been appalling,” said Hansen. “They are a long ways from the Nordstrom-level of customer service.”

Members of the Ferry Advisory Committee said boats built in the 1950s and 1960s shouldn’t be expected to operate without significant maintenance.

“Part of the problem is we don’t have a regular vessel-replacement program in place,” said Rex Nelson, who represents Southworth on the committee. Some of the new replacement boats are too small to serve the primary routes, he added.

Capacci said what the agency needs from the Legislature is funding to hire 81 employees, and capital funds to maintain and replace aging boats.

Nelson points to last year’s stalled transportation package in the Legislature, which would have created a sustainable source of ferry funds.

“You’ve got a certain number of boats that have to be replaced every couple of years,” he said, “because the boats are getting old.”

Rep. Ed Orcutt, R-Kalama, said that if the ferry system wants to ask the public for tax increases, it will have to straighten out problems he sees with employees.

“It’s giving a black eye to some really good ferry workers out there,” Orcutt said.

Capacci said the run of problems this summer is unprecedented, though the breakdowns aren’t surprising in an old fleet.

He argued ferry problems attract notice because riders are so used to boats that run on time, and for some people are the most dependable part of their day.

what makes me so pissed is that the WSF is blaming budget cuts for these bonehead incidents…MONEY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE MISTAKES! IT IS MISMANAGEMENT AND SLOTH!

I think there should be a moratorium on all ferry services nationwide. I think there needs to be a safety stand down in all ports around the country. I mean this one group has done everything wrong that can be done wrong. It stands to reason there is a ferry industry wide culture of laziness and unsafe work practices. If we shut all ferries down nationwide for a year and have the new Bureau of Ferry Safety Management inspect their operations we will know they’re operating safely. Then they can start granting permits for ferry ops around the country as the ferry systems come into compliance. It’s gonna be a shame for all the ferry employees nationwide as they lose their houses. Maybe they can sue WSF for list wages.

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;142862]I think there should be a moratorium on all ferry services nationwide.[/QUOTE]

That’s a bit harsh. We should praise the machinery designers for making equipment that is 95 percentt ferry crew proof and eliminate more than half the shoreside management. The money saved should be used to hire maintenance teams to do the work that ferry engineers should do but can’t or won’t.

I believe that if someone took the time to analyze ferry damage costs it will probably show a rise in direct proportion to the growth in the number of “management” and “support” people hired to occupy the 2nd Ave enclave. WSF really is a sinecure for friends and relatives in need of job security with a pension they wouldn’t rate anyplace else.

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;142862]I think there should be a moratorium on all ferry services nationwide. I think there needs to be a safety stand down in all ports around the country. I mean this one group has done everything wrong that can be done wrong. It stands to reason there is a ferry industry wide culture of laziness and unsafe work practices. If we shut all ferries down nationwide for a year and have the new Bureau of Ferry Safety Management inspect their operations we will know they’re operating safely. Then they can start granting permits for ferry ops around the country as the ferry systems come into compliance. It’s gonna be a shame for all the ferry employees nationwide as they lose their houses. Maybe they can sue WSF for list wages.[/QUOTE]

spot on!

I can’t wait till OMSA convinces the USCG to create even more licenses and I can get my Ferry Master 6000 ITC upon Puget Sound and then the skies the limit…

You must still be pissed off about your pay cut that you found out about yesterday?

oh dear GOD! This is too much to read this morning…

[B]Report: Bremerton-Seattle ferry was not overloaded, no need to turn back[/B]

A flaw in a handheld clicker led ferry dock workers in Bremerton to overcount the walk-on passengers, a state inquiry found.

By Mike Lindblom

A state inquiry found that a ferry carrying Seahawks fans to Seattle on Aug. 15 wasn’t truly overloaded the day it returned to Bremerton and 484 passengers had to walk off the vessel.

Rather, the real number of passengers on the 4:20 p.m. run of the Cathlamet was actually shy of the maximum allowable capacity of 1,200 people — the report’s best estimate is that the vessel carried 1,073 passengers.

But workers at the terminal overcounted the passengers because of failures in the inexpensive, handheld clicker that a supervisor used to tally the boardings, says the eight-page investigative report.

Ferry workers thought incorrectly there were 1,684 people aboard.

The review was ordered by Transportation Secretary Lynn Peterson and released to state lawmakers Monday.

Because of the overloading scare, the captain returned the boat to Bremerton. At the urging of police, hundreds of people walked back onshore and had to take a later vessel.

Despite the delays, fans heading to a Seahawks exhibition football game made it to Seattle by kickoff, according to Capt. George Capacci, interim ferries director.

Ferry capacity is regulated by the Coast Guard, based on the ability to evacuate passengers on the water, using lifeboats plus available space on the nearby partner ferry in a two-ferry corridor.

When the Cathlamet reached Seattle, the ship’s mate made his own informal count and noticed just over 600 walk-on customers departing at Colman Dock, in addition to 223 vehicle drivers and passengers who had been accurately counted at the car tollbooths.

The inquiry into the incident also used video footage from the ship and the Bremerton terminal to estimate the number of passengers.

Washington State Ferries (WSF) spokeswoman Marta Coursey said ferry workers relied on clickers as opposed to visually estimating the crowd size because Ferries work rules require a tally.

“You have to have as accurate a count as you can to satisfy the Coast Guard regulation,” said Coursey.

However, ferry workers told the investigator they’ve experienced or heard of clickers skipping numbers, and it even happened later in August on less-busy runs. The report also mentions that one terminal employee wasn’t certain whether the Cathlamet’s capacity that day was 1,600 people or 1,200 people.

The afternoon of Aug. 15 presented challenges because demand was high for ferry service because of the Seahawks game and Hempfest.

Capacci ordered new procedures that helped prevent similar problems in busy late-summer shifts, including the Seahawks’ Sept. 4 home opener against the Green Bay Packers.

Changes include having two dockside workers count the walk-on passengers during busy days instead of just one person counting, Coursey said. Ferry officials are discussing an equipment change, too.

“There’s a lot of technology out there,” she said.

Peterson said through a spokesman: “I again apologize to the WSF customers impacted by this incident last month. While the miscount was the result of a faulty counting device, we are taking steps to make sure the passenger counts are accurate. The actions of the crew, when they thought the vessel was overloaded, demonstrated their commitment to safety, our top priority.”

the largest ferry system in the US is run by FOOLS, RUBES and IDIOTS!

The only fool is the deckhand or mate that couldn’t figure out their clicker was broken. Their counts for the last few months are probably off. Having punched the clicker quite a few times in my life I can tell you it is easy to tell when they aren’t working right.

How hard is it to have a turnstile set up at the base of the gangway? How does the crew not know their max capacity? That doesn’t seem like commitment to safety more like idiocy. Also where do I get more info on this Seattle Hempfest?

The average ferry deckhand you deal with have a hard time walking and breathing. It’s the same with ditch diggers, you just aren’t going. To pay enough to have an entire deck crew of real geniuses. It doesn’t matter how committed to safety management is if the people they are trying to work with can’t read the safety flashes.

This is why there needs to be a moratorium on ferry ops. The BFSM needs to look at the manning on these things. Perhaps an unlimited tonnage officer crew top to bottom because they are the only ones smart enough for this type of work. What if a second or third captain had been supervising the on loading of PAX? You can never have enough captains in some situations.

they are unlimited tonnage but almost all inland! It is an inbred society where virtually no one in command has ever been on anything other than a WSF. Breeds quality as we surely see here!

anyway, I don’t give a SHIT what license they hold, they are incompetent FUCKING busdrivers who can’t navigate their way anywhere except back and forth endlessly. What REAL mariner would ever choose such a life except for going home regularly, getting good $$$ and a pension.

I HATE THOSE FUCKS!

ferry workers told the investigator they’ve experienced or heard of clickers skipping numbers

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if the clicker was skipping numbers, wouldn’t there be more people on the ferry than the tally says? Then the ferry truly was overloaded. Either way, returning to port was absolutely the correct decision.

[QUOTE=txwooley;144772]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if the clicker was [B]skipping[/B] numbers, wouldn’t there be more people on the ferry than the tally says? Then the ferry truly was overloaded.[/QUOTE]

they are even IDIOTS trying to explain their own IDIOCY!

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[QUOTE=Fraqrat;144755]What if a second or third captain had been supervising the on loading of PAX? You can never have enough captains in some situations.[/QUOTE]

Oh DEAR GOD! I just had a horrible vision of HOS being awarded a contract to operate all the WSF ferries…

As much as I advocate that a commercial operator be hired to man and run the WSF fleet, to bring in a whole pack of GoM mariners with their inbred backwards ways is worse than the slugs that run the fleet now!

[QUOTE=txwooley;144772]Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if the clicker was [B]skipping[/B] numbers, wouldn’t there be more people on the ferry than the tally says? Then the ferry truly was overloaded. Either way, returning to port was absolutely the correct decision.[/QUOTE]

When counting, if you skip numbers the tally will be higher then the number of passengers ( 1,2,(skipping) 4,5. Number of passengers = 4 tally = 5)

[QUOTE=Kennebec Captain;144787]When counting, if you skip numbers the tally will be higher then the number of passengers ( 1,2,(skipping) 4,5. Number of passengers = 4 tally = 5)[/QUOTE]

oh come on now…that isn’t what happens with those little clickers. I wonder if the tally counter in question was sent to an NTSB lab to be examined? We need to get to the bottom of this IDIOCY!