oh dear…this guy has gone batshit crazy on us
we’re gonna have to kill him!
Perfect, the “Crazy Guy” leaves the Oil Co. In ruins.
Okay, I’m probably feeding the troll, but here goes.
Dear Mr. Oil_is_Evil,
You’re making yourself look a complete fool. Do you honestly feel that oil is evil? Setting aside any questions about whether an inanimate mineral can be evil or not, here are just a few questions. Do you shop for groceries and sundries at a store? Do you drive a vehicle? Do you use ANY manufactured items in your life? If the answer to any or all of these is yes, then you depend on oil. If you feel so strongly about oil, then I suggest you go off the grid and go ahead and try to come up with everything you need to survive on your own. Which, by the way, would also involve cutting ties with all electricity. Which would preclude you going onto the internet to post your nonsense.
For that matter, do you work in the maritime industry at all? If the answer to that is no, then may I suggest you fuck off somewhere else, somewhere that might listen to your incoherent ramblings about the evils of fossil fuels. For this is a fourm by mariners, for mariners.
Sincerely,
Those of us with a little bit of perspective.
yep. he’s a fucking hypocrite, there is no way he could even post this nonsense without relying on Oil! Bad EVIL oil. Ban these bozo’s that offer nothing to the discussion but copy and pasted nonsense.
As much as I do not like the idea of piling more classes/requirements on the U.S. Mariner, I think that management classes are sorely needed in the GOM.
I have met and worked with many excellent Masters over the years and the one common deficiency I see (myself included) is a lack of management skills.
[QUOTE=St@nley68;158258]As much as I do not like the idea of piling more classes/requirements on the U.S. Mariner, I think that management classes are sorely needed in the GOM.
I have met and worked with many excellent Masters over the years and the one common deficiency I see (myself included) is a lack of management skills.[/QUOTE]
I thank you for your honesty, admitting your need for professional development. What I commend is your followed up desire to pursue the professional development. Question is which of these do you fit; I will take the classes when the company I work for pays OR I will take the classes at my expense if that is what it takes. Unfortunately as I have stated elsewhere in this thread, professionalism is a punch line when talking about GOM mariners. When I was in the military they talked about the 10% rule. Referring to an organization having 10% of its’ members bad apples. However when referring to the GOM mariners, 10% rule applies to the good mariners, 90% are the bad apples.
If you are truly sincere about your professional development, you may just we’ll be among the 10% of the GOM mariners that rise above.
[QUOTE=awulfclark;158248]Which, by the way, would also involve cutting ties with all electricity. Which would preclude you going onto the internet to post your nonsense.
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you are wrong, he could have a steampowered generator with the boiler fed by methane produced from his own shitpile?
[QUOTE=c.captain;158280]you are wrong, he could have a steampowered generator with the boiler fed by methane produced from his own shitpile?[/QUOTE]
More likely it’s a crude windmill powered by his own hot air. Maybe supplemented by offgassing from that shitpile.
Anyway, enough of that guy, it’s doing nothing but derail this thread by now.
Dear Mr. Awful, I do use oil, I’m not happy bout it, and I try hard to minimize that use. I do use electricity, but I make more than I use. I actually feel a little sorry for the grid when I unplug from it. I do work in the Maritime industry, I cut my teeth running a harbor tug with a pair of Cat D398’s. Twisting and walking full and full, blackstacking 16" pipes still gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. My mantra was “Black Smoke, White Water”. I would argue that it is I with the broader perspective. Dear Mr. Zdrive. Yes, I can post without using any oil. I’m doing it now. What is nonsensical to you does not invalidate the premise. Dear Mr CCaptain. I really want to build a shitpile generator but my honey wouldn’t hear of it. Dear Mr Awful, (again). I apologize for derailing the thread. Maybe I’ll try to start another
wow…he mentioned me. I am so proud
Ok…not certain why this would matter but I have scheduled the class at my expense. That said , I am certain that my company will offer the class in the near future for those who would not pay for it on their own.
As I have previously stated , having not come from this industry I have spent countless hours and $$$ improving my skill set. When you stop learning and moving forward in your career , you will fast become useless… Not sure if I would agree that 90% of the GOM mariners are bad apples but there are a gracious plenty that could not hold a job in any other industry ! If any good comes from these downturns it would be that it forces some of the “bad apples” out.
This class is being required as part of the broader 2010 amendments, not as remedial training for dumb Americans who have too many accidents. People who say otherwise are ignorant, as Michaela Jackson would say.
In some of the more international pubs I read we do have a pretty good safety record here in the US. C.captains buddy with TAL and a few others just drag us down some as far as PSC stuff goes, but that’s no reflection on mariner competence or domestic safety.
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[QUOTE=St@nley68;158417]Ok…not certain why this would matter but I have scheduled the class at my expense. That said , I am certain that my company will offer the class in the near future for those who would not pay for it on their own.
As I have previously stated , having not come from this industry I have spent countless hours and $$$ improving my skill set. When you stop learning and moving forward in your career , you will fast become useless… Not sure if I would agree that 90% of the GOM mariners are bad apples but there are a gracious plenty that could not hold a job in any other industry ! If any good comes from these downturns it would be that it forces some of the “bad apples” out.[/QUOTE]
The sad part is that actually sifting out some of the weaker players is work. Many personnel dept types take the path of least resistance.
At the end of the day some solid mariners are sitting at home while some guys who should have been fired a long time ago are working.
Go figure.
[QUOTE=z-drive;158429]This class is being required as part of the broader 2010 amendments, not as remedial training for dumb Americans who have too many accidents. People who say otherwise are ignorant, as Michaela Jackson would say.
In some of the more international pubs I read we do have a pretty good safety record here in the US. C.captains buddy with TAL and a few others just drag us down some as far as PSC stuff goes, but that’s no reflection on mariner competence or domestic safety.[/QUOTE]
But was there no way that guys who’ve been sailing Master for umpteen years couldn’t have been grandfathered and simply been given the leadership/managerial skills endorsement?
No shit. Or at least a <1 week class, but oh well. I’m dreading sitting in a class for a whole week.
[QUOTE=St@nley68;158417]Ok…not certain why this would matter but I have scheduled the class at my expense. That said , I am certain that my company will offer the class in the near future for those who would not pay for it on their own.
As I have previously stated , having not come from this industry I have spent countless hours and $$$ improving my skill set. When you stop learning and moving forward in your career , you will fast become useless… Not sure if I would agree that 90% of the GOM mariners are bad apples but there are a gracious plenty that could not hold a job in any other industry ! If any good comes from these downturns it would be that it forces some of the “bad apples” out.[/QUOTE]
First I applaud your intiative, and commitment to professional development. To answer your question " not certain why this would matter" ? Would anyone disagree with the statement, a person knows themself better than anyone ?Therefore it matters because you have the “insider info” on yourself, and if you won’t invest in you. You are therefore telling everyone you are a bad investment, so bad in fact even you won’t invest in yourself. That is why I do not respect anyone who believes thier career, is controlled by thier employer. Or anyone who does not respect thier profession enough to continue professional developement.
My belief is those who will continue thier professional development, whether employer paid or not ( preferably employer paid though, after one invests in themselves with one or two classes has earned employer investment), perform the job we’ll but seek to improve, are the mariners that should have the jobs. In other words a C/E on a supply boat with 10yrs. on that boat should be able to overhaul the engines, change thier own power packs, change bearings in electric motors, do thier own non-structural weld repairs, change thier own mechanical seals, …Deck officers, on a supply boat should be able to hold the boat manually under a crane if need be ( DP fails sometimes), navigate anywhere, charts should all be corrected and up to date…Unfortunatly that is not what you find in the GOM 90% of the time, Nepotism rules and hardwork and commitment to excellence both technically and hands-on does not. I could give a rats butt, about painting an engine room or how clean it is. If the engines won’t turn the screws, the vessel cannot earn money. On the deck side, I could give a rats butt how much gets painted. As I have personally seen deckhands paint over rust an 1/8" thick. But the captain peering down from the wheelhouse, saw the prep work ( although faked looked good), then the enrust, prime, paint. Also saw the job get done in a short amount of time, so those are the guys that get the koodos. Not the guy who does the job the right way. As the GOM sayiing goes " we never have enough time to do the job right, but we always have enough time to do the job over" Then there are the mariners who cannot grasp the concept of parts. We will use 3 parts A to 1 part B, because they fail to grasp the concept they mix a whole gallon, to paint one valve handle for example. Some companies therefore went to single part, but then the mariner applies that too thick and it NEVER dries. " GO-FiGURE" those are the marines that unfortunately NEVER get weeded OUT !
[QUOTE=awulfclark;158435]But was there no way that guys who’ve been sailing Master for umpteen years couldn’t have been grandfathered and simply been given the leadership/managerial skills endorsement?[/QUOTE]
Some of the umpteen years people could use a little schoolin’
[QUOTE=awulfclark;158435]But was there no way that guys who’ve been sailing Master for umpteen years couldn’t have been grandfathered and simply been given the leadership/managerial skills endorsement?[/QUOTE]
Regulation I/15 of the STCW Convention only allows gradfathering for those parts of the Code that existed before January 1, 2012.
Often times those who “have been master for umpteen years” need it the most…
[QUOTE=St@nley68;161016]Often times those who “have been master for umpteen years” need it the most…[/QUOTE]I have seen a couple of people who needed an upgrade in management skills that took this death by PowerPoint class. It didn’t improve them one little bit.Who really thinks a five day class of this nature really improve one’s management skills? It seems to me if someone is a miserable SOB when they went to this class, they are still miserable when they came out
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