For the amount of money I’m getting paid I’ll do it how ever they want. If it is something that keeps me from getting hurt then I’m all for it. I can’t collect my check if I’m dead. If I get hurt LT/ST disability won’t cut it. I like getting the whole paycheck not some or none of it. Last time I checked when you got off watch you didn’t go home. There shouldn’t be any rush unless time is a factor. If all of the know it all super stars would quit screwing up and getting hurt we wouldn’t get hammered about it all the time. With all the bullshitting and screwing around that goes on in a day 15 minutes to an hour to discuss a task isn’t killing any one. Most of the time you can fill these forms out will having a coffee or eating when you first come on watch. Finish one task and ready to start another take a break do your JSA and continue on. You’re getting paid to do a job this is part of the job do it correctly and get paid its a simple concept. If it pisses everyone off so bad like bad benefits, shitty wages or bunk travel pay GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE!
[QUOTE=Flyer69;85173] received a Class A, Grade 1 ass-reaming.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, that one. In my defense I was caught in a Beaufort scale F-9 shit storm. Shit storms, steer upwind and well clear, from the Beaufort shit scale force 9: "shit begins to roll, dense streaks of bullshit may reduce visibility.
K.C…
Damn now that is the truth right there! They are all good guys but how well do you really know a person until your talking about money in a court room. I’m with kc better safe than sorry. I like my license.
Number 1 skill required by a second mate on a foreign going vessel…
Typing
All these forms and lawyers are screwing up the whole survival of the fittest thing. If we just let the idiots die and allowed people to live in fear of screwing up this country might have a chance.
I’ve been through the evolution of our current safety culture. Lengthy, time consuming, and redundant as it is, it serves a valuable purpose. Twenty years ago, there was zero commitment to safety where most companies were concerned. I can’t tell you how many times as an AB I had to climb up a rickety ladder, with cracked rungs, over the quick water to reach the deck of a barge that was often thirty feet high. The first time I questioned this practice I was told something I would hear many times again: “If you can’t do it, we’ll hire someone who can.” The safety culture can be a pain in the ass, but mariners have come a long way.
[QUOTE=Sea Opus;103133]I’ve been through the evolution of our current safety culture. Lengthy, time consuming, and redundant as it is, it serves a valuable purpose. Twenty years ago, there was zero commitment to safety where most companies were concerned. I can’t tell you how many times as an AB I had to climb up a rickety ladder, with cracked rungs, over the quick water to reach the deck of a barge that was often thirty feet high. The first time I questioned this practice I was told something I would hear many times again: “If you can’t do it, we’ll hire someone who can.” The safety culture can be a pain in the ass, but mariners have come a long way.[/QUOTE]
20 years ago…
What was the conversation between the Captain and the DPO as they were escaping the Deepwater Horizon…"lets go down the escape ladder’ ah not possible, “why not” last 60’ rusted off’
I guess that was down and not up, maybe it will take another 20 years…lol
[QUOTE=powerabout;103175]20 years ago…
What was the conversation between the Captain and the DPO as they were escaping the Transocean Discoverer…"lets go down the escape ladder’ ah not possible, “why not” last 60’ rusted off’
I guess that was down and not up, maybe it will take another 20 years…lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I guess there’s still a few “traditionalists” out there.
I agree with some of the paperwork for sure. Lots of it is BS. You guys call JSA what we call a risk asessment? Same thing I reckon. Our management has wised up, and offered a common-sense update on the policy, hopefully you guys are in a similiar situation. We need only fill them out when we do something new, and by new like really new, or drastically different than previously done. Major change in crew from normal, that kind of thing. I find myself doing them far less frequently than before…but spamming someone in mgmt’s inbox with hundreds a day must have gotten the point across.
The critical issue is having management support you and take action when deficiencies or non-conformities are detected. when they get ignored it breaks the entire system, and results in less participation, and ultimately, less safety. They all claim to, but when someone says “do you know how much that costs!” or “jesus christ don’t put that in writing!” you break the very system you are trying to fix.
You could have stopped there. Yes many SMS systems, especially offshore, are overly complicated. Many ecdis, cargo loading and DP systems are overly complicated as well. Too many systems have operating manuals the size of a phone book and too many SMS systems have manuals with more volumes than the encyclopedia Britannica.
And don’t get me started on port state, flag state, class, IMO and the volumes of texts from the other dozen other regulators.
Granted many of the new regs are needed, many of the new equipment systems need dozens of redundant modes and, yes I am going to say it, SMS works. The problem is too few of these books are written for, and systems developed for simplicity.
I could write pages of text and cite countless facts on the importance of simplicity… Including how bad systems have resulted in mariners sinking ships or being sent to jail. But doing so would be contrary to my point… We don’t need more training, better educated mariners or more safety systems… We need simple to understand regs and procedures couples with simple to operate equipment.
Here’s more on my thoughts on this subject:
The more stickers we have on the boat, the safer we are.
[QUOTE=BargeMonkey;103246]The more stickers we have on the boat, the safer we are.[/QUOTE]
Don’t laugh. It seems like I can’t walk five feet without having to observe another caution. In spite of all the signs, stickers, posts, and markings I actually had an auditor say, “you need more safety stickers.”
I told a newbie office worker that came onto our AHTS, that every job I do a JSA/Risk Assessment.
She asks oh really.
yes I have 2 eyes and 2 ears and years of experience.
If I can type up todays work at the end of the day and have the same number of crew on board then my JSA was spot on
If I’m not able to then I failed.
Then there was the port stb accident and when asked why the give way vessel didnt give way the the officer said. I was going to but I couldn’t find the JSA form in time.
I was on a new build last week. There are signs/stickers all over and they must be of some new “international” design because we couldn’t tell what some of them meant. A red ear? What? Well, there is one near every fire detector so it must have something to do with that. Look it up in the book and it is supposed to symbolize smoke and heat. And why do we need a sticker on the wall to tell us there is a smoke detector sticking out of the overhead? Or an image of a fire extinguisher right next to the fire extinguisher? A fire hose sticker next to the fire hose?
I had a good friend that worked in the office at my company. So, one day I called to talk to him and my Port Engineer said that he had gone home. When I asked why he said he hurt his back. So, I asked how the hell did he hurt himself, after the PE stopped laughing he said that be Buddy had tripped over a new rug. The kicker is that this rug said “SAFETY IS UP TO YOU”! You just can not make shit like this up!
Arghhh … Mr. Cadet ! Go down the Engine Room and bring back a bucket of steam with a grease cartridge for the Gyro belt …
What would you like to drink Mr. Pilot … A Whisky on the rocks Sir !
[QUOTE=seriously;103295]I was on a new build last week. There are signs/stickers all over and they must be of some new “international” design because we couldn’t tell what some of them meant. A red ear? What? Well, there is one near every fire detector so it must have something to do with that. Look it up in the book and it is supposed to symbolize smoke and heat. And why do we need a sticker on the wall to tell us there is a smoke detector sticking out of the overhead? Or an image of a fire extinguisher right next to the fire extinguisher? A fire hose sticker next to the fire hose?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps in a total black-out, and all you have is a flash light, these stickers will reflect your light and say I’m here.
~ just a thought
A red ear…lol…guess I’m just used to the imo stickers…
Had a hand cut his hand opening a new pair of SAFETY GLOVES! They were connected via zip tie. Made for one of the best incident reports ever.