If you are on a ship in ROS, the vacation is very low.
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SIU has pretty much always been 15/30 hasnât it? Our guys have always worked 4 months on / 2 months off.
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Thatâs nuts, our unlicensed are like 23 or 24/60. 75 day tours, anything over 85 is day/day.
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Yea thatâs why the SIU is the biggest scam going. And you need like 30 years of seatime for their shitty pension.
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Iâm still wondering what the day rates for deepsea officers areâŚ
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Do deep sea unlimited tonnage even express pay as âday rates?â Unless things have really changed since the last ice age when I sailed, youâre gonna need some math skills to reduce to a âday rate.â
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Howâs about you just settle for the fact that everyone is going to play their cards close while sitting at their pool in their fancy house with fancy carsâŚ
We are all doing fine. Shipping is booming because of the pandemic and if youâre getting out of school soon, congratulations! You caught the sine curve that is this rollercoaster industry, on the up swing. It will as always (typically in 10 year cycles historically) begin to Peter out and then we will all have the companies holding out their pockets, but right now it is feast time.
Go get some for yourself and good luck. 
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Nailed it Cavo.and DamnYankee.
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Doesnât sound too far off with everything included.
Personally, I think vacation pay is stupid. Just give me all my money up front. If I suck at managing my money then thatâs on me. It all comes out of the same piece of pie, Iâd rather earn interest on it as soon as possible and not let someone else hold onto it and earn interest that should be mine.
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Exactly Mr. Cavo, salary or pay/vacation to day rate is simple but it doesnât factor in things like travel, training, pay for training, benefits, 401k matches, pensions, parental leave, and whatever else you can think of.
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Factoring in 401k matches, pensions, etc. does make things harder. But what Deepsea union or companies donât pay for training and travel nowadays? The one exception I heard is that some with OSG mentioned their mates donât get paid for training. I do not know the truth to that. Maybe @New3M an shed some light in that regard? Also I never heard of a deep sea company paying parental leave. @Mmamate what companies pay that?
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OSG only pays for training that is either STCW required (like the gap closing stuff we all had to do a few years ago - leadership, ecdis, etc.), or if they want you to take a course - VSO, advanced ship handling. They do not pay for C/M upgrade courses, although they will reimburse after the fact once you have earned the position.
You get $100 a day while you are in training, plus foodâŚwhich I think its like $30 a day or something crazy low. Itâs not a deal to go to training, thatâs for sure.
Yes, training and travel are generally covered by the employer. However, Iâm talking about how you are paid for training; no pay, 100$, full pay, full pay plus vacation? Harder to factor into a day rate. Conocophillips has 6 weeks paid parental leave.
Well in terms of training seems like Union guys make out the best. All courses and training at the Calhoun School (MEBA), MITAGS (MMP), and STAR Center (AMO) comes at no additional cost to the mariner. Lodging and meals are also provided free of charge. You can stay and take as many courses as you want. And if they donât provide a specific course the union may refund you for one taken elsewhere. The funding comes from union dues and the companies themselves. Its a deal knowing how expensive courses can be especially upgrading to C/M & C/E.
Yeah weâve got a similar deal, training at essentially any of the schools is covered as well as travel and lodging. Meals are reimbursed, youâre paid at your normal rate with no time taken from vacation bank, if you have more than 2 weeks of training a year then you earn vacation day for day.
Not the way the MEBA works. You apply for a course. When the course is finished you leave.
@Chief_Seadog I wasnât clear. I meant to say you can take as many courses as you want and are free to stay there as long as you are taking the courses. If you take courses that run consecutive, you can stay at the Calhoun School during that period the courses are running. I wasnât saying you can just stay as the schools for as long as you want whenever you want. Of course you have to be taking a course to stay there.
You must make a separate written application for each desired course. No more than four (4) course applications for classes may be submitted per semester. If those courses run consecutively you stay over the weekend until the next class starts.
MEBAâs Training Plan will reimburse participants for up to $1,200 per year for off-site tuition costs for courses the School determines are STCW related. Those classes must be approved by the CMES Director prior to attending such training.
Yeah. MM&P has a maximum amount of time you can stay as well. Seriously though, who wants to stay any longer than they absolutely have to?
As far as the value though, itâs through the roof. I tell every young officer on the fence about staying with the union that they can get six times their initiation fee costs in training value before they are ever offered a book. It is well worth it to spend at least a few years in the applicant pool and sip at the teet of âfreeâ training. Hell, you can even decide to decline the membership afterwards and get your initiation fee back. At least thatâs the case with MM&P assuming you remain an applicant.
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