Now when will those politicians in Norway start listening to Bugge?
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There are several hundred nominations received by the Noble Committee every year.
Trump has been nominated as well, but he is hardly seen as a serious contender by anybody but himself and some in his “base”.
So one Deputy Member of Parliament becomes “those politicians” in your view?
Here is the Wikipage about Guri Melby, the one politician in question:
She is fairly clueless on HK affairs, although she spent a couple of days there recently. (Old China hand)
That Trump is indifferent to anything that doesn’t affect him or his business directly is no surprise.
It appears that others in his inner circles and among his supporters hasn’t got the message though:
Ted Cruz, a newly minted fan, is among the clueless US politician that wants to voice his opinion to gain support from even more clueless voters at home:
I know, I know, he has foreign experience. He was born in Canada and can see Mexico from his house.
Latest HK riot development:
Beijing continue it’s support for the HK Gov. but warns that the present situation threatens the “One country, two systems” agreement:
But the US Gov. will help by threatening to increase restrictions on trade from HK to make the situation worse:
China is not likely to grant HK more “freedom”, or get greatly affected by this move, but it may impress gullible voters in the US.
Or so they hope??
Maybe somebody should explain that China is ac sovereign country and HK is a part of it??
Man if ever there was a ringing endorsement for the Second Amendment, just look at that headline…flaming arrows and catapults?? What’s next? Will they take to the streets on horseback with their jousts?
The Holocaust is too long ago for most to remember what happens when a tyrannical government decides to impose its will against an unarmed populace…I think we’re about to get a reminder of what that looks like in Hong Kong.
By the way, not that this isn’t already underway with the concentration camps for the Uighur Muslims and the organ harvesting (!!!) of the Falun Gong…yet somehow the crack reporters at the South China Morning Post and Channel News Asia aren’t focused on that right now…it’s the “rioters” in HK that needs to be the focus…
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It’s a matter of access. Almost anyone can get into Hong Kong without limits on movement, access to the locals or world-wide internet. (I’ve thought about going on holiday there just to watch the rioting.) Getting in to Western China is a whole other ballgame. Getting there is controlled. Reporting is controlled. Hong Kong is the low hanging fruit.
So you recommend that the rioters in HK should be having semi-automatic assault rifles to liven things up a bit more? USAid could probably aid democracy and freedom by supplying them for free. (Looks to me like they are causing enough mayhem with their present arsenal though)
Maybe the crack reporters from SCMP and CNA have a bit better sense of what is going on in China and HK than the reporters from western media, not to mention the part of them that have an agenda to write negatively about anything Chinese from their comfortable offices on the other side of the world.
BTW; SCMP is the oldest English language local HK newspaper with a reputation for unbiased reporting and a worldwide following by those who are interested in facts.
CNA is a Singapore based, Asia centred News Channel, with local reporters all around Asia.
While I regret the violence I have admire the creativity. Catapults require effort. Far more effort than a firearm. I’ll worry when they transition to roadside/sidewalk IEDs. I figure that’ll start shortly and end badly.
Yes, it is an unfortunate situation with these former Chinese citizens in Norway getting these threatening automated calls from the Chinese government but first you should look at all the facts to understand who is really to blame. Which country invented the telephone? It was the United States of America!!! Which country invented the automated phone call? The same culprit! And why did they invent these things? Capitalism! And who is the biggest capitalist President your country ever have? Donald Trump! Do you now see who is to blame my dear friend? You would be able to figure these things out yourself if you bothered to read news from outside of the US.
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How the hell could this thread reach 1109 replies when its just Ombugge against everyone?
I know that Sunnmøringer are more stubborn than donkeys, but stay down for god sake.
It’s hilarious. I check in on this thread every few months or so to see how it is going. Yesterday when I seen that he was blaming US politicians for the riots in Hong Kong & suggesting that the protests would stop if the people of U.S. would simply ignore them I had to throw my 2 cents in. It’s all in good spirits on all sides I’m sure.
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I recommend that all people who wish to have and maintain their freedom be armed with semi-automatic magazine fed rifles in order to protect themselves from the tyrannical overreach of oppressive governments.
Well, that’s kind of the point isn’t it…kind of hard to write something negative about “the motherland” from your office in HK when you’re likely to disappear or join your fellow “dissenters” in the concentration camps for “re-education”.
but of course…what other option is there in that country? Facts? how can you say what’s fact and what’s not when a publication is not free to do its own independent reporting? I’m not saying they’re lying…I’m saying they can’t be trusted as a source of unbiased coverage due to the oppression they are forced to operate under.
I find it most ironic of all that the calls for the oppression of HK-ers freedom is being most adamantly campaigned for on this forum by a man who exercises some of the highest levels of freedom in the world due to the passport he holds/the country he’s from.
Do you, @ombugge, advocate for the same lack of basic freedoms that the HK-ers face to be implemented in Norway? If not, you are a hypocrite of the highest order (not a new development) and should be ashamed of yourself.
Chinese soldiers has finally appeared on the streets in HK, but not to quell riots.
They joined pro-government volunteers to clean up the streets around their barracks after rioters had built and burnt barricades:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-s-pla-soldiers-help-clean-up-hong-kong-streets-as-protests-rumble-on-12099910
I don’t advocate for any freedom or rights being taken away from anybody, anywhere, nor is that what the riots in HK is about. Under the “Basic Law” and “One country,two system” that govern how HK is run under Chinese sovereignty there is freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, incl. to hold peaceful demonstrations and protests. British Common Law is still the norm and one of the main reasons that HK is attractive to Chinese and foreign companies to do business in and to list their shears at the HK Exchange.
HK is ranked #1 in Economic Freedom in the world:
But to conduct violent protests, disrupt civil life and damage public and private property is not allowed, here or anywhere else.
The present situation is not conducive to grant universal suffrage, or likely to make the Central Government replace Carrie Lam as Chief Executive anytime soon.
Yes Norway is among the freest of the free countries in the world. Together with Sweden and Finland It is the only country to rank 100/100 on the World Freedom Index:
I do enjoy that freedom together with all other Norwegian citizens and residents. That includes freedom from worries about being able to afford health care, from being robbed, mugged and beaten up by mobs. Low corruption level also help to make it the best countries in the world to live in:
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/
PS> Notice that HK appears as #8 on this list (although it is not a country)
Two Australian politicians were barred from visiting China because they had criticised some of China’s policies. I seem to recall that you have family links with China which makes you views understandable.
China is using a variation of the Hundred Flowers trick. Quietly and behind the scenes encourage dissent. Let people speak up. Stoke the fires. Make people take sides. Find out who the counter-revolutionaries are.
That’s the stage we are at now.
Once the IEDs start China will restore order, gather up the enemies of the State and bring a lasting peace to Hong Kong.
I presume you are referring to these two gentlemen?:
I looks like China has as much faith in their " good faith dialogue" as they have in China’s declared “no interference in other country’s affairs”. I would think there is a bit of dishonesty on both sides, based on what I have ready about these two gentlemen’s statements in the the past…
As to my family involvement in China they are peripheral and has nothing to do with my view of China, the Chinese people, or Chinese domestic or foreign policy. That is more influenced by years of visiting different places in China without a biased view and talking to ordinary Chinese people in non-official circumstances, like partying and having fun, or working with and for them on even footing.
It looks like some knowledgeable and influential persons in HK looks at it the other way around:
No SCMP is not a Commie rag that is under the thumb of some Beijing sensors. It is a free and fair newspaper that has been issued in HK for nearly 120 years (since 1903) and is known as a reliable source of information on HK and China affairs.
This actually makes a lot of sense. As chairman bugge has pointed out, there is no hope for this to succeed without outside intervention. China sees the US as withdrawing from intervening in wars abroad and feels its a good bet we won’t commit to a war with China over HK. So, they make their power play to root out the dissenters with enough confidence it won’t result in war.
yeah, what China considers peace…me personally, living in mortal fear of daring to have an opinion that differs from what “the motherland” says I should think is no kind of freedom at all. Sucks to be a HK-er.
Simple question: what would happen if the SCMP were to publish an op-ed from someone from the pro-freedom side…you know…to give balanced coverage of this big news story? The answer to that question is why this statement
is invalid.
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Some kooky American politicians grandstand and make self serving speeches. No one cares about them (most of us, anyways).
In the meantime China continues to fuel the HK protesters while reaping the benefits at home. It’s a welcome distraction from the slowing economy, a foreign boogeyman for the government to blame their ills. It brings to the surface many of the people who will need ‘reeducation’. Finally it gives China the opportunity to show its tolerance and humanity to the world… until it’s ‘forced’ into restoring peace. Truly a winning plan!
The situation in HK is escalating, with more and more violence being committed.
Eventually the Police will have to make good on the threat to use live fire, otherwise this will turn into total mayhem and more innocent people being hurt:
Of course our “China experts” here will say that it is China that is at fault for not sending in the marines and blast away to satisfy the their desire to see more people killed.
Luckily the Chinese are not dumb enough to do so, just so they can say; “see, I told you so”.