No, funny is watching you defend a guy for not actually doing anything to “prepare for this”. Did he actually have the Navy change the ROE? No. Could he have, yes, but instead he just lied in a tweet, saying he told them to, but in reality not doing a damn thing. Much like the pandemic, all we get from him is a blustery tweet storm instead of meaningful action.
(Edit: wasn’t meant to be reply to Jamesbrown)
Hehe. Just open minded to a little retribution every now and then 
not sure where it fits, but cool to watch
The boat that was fired on approached within 100 yards (91 meters) to 200 yards of the…USNS Rappahannock
Incoming skiff ignoring all warnings inbound at 25 kts/200 yds away/14 seconds from impact, both moving. Good shoot.
No what I think is that you in particular, and your ilk in general, are partisan hacks who will bend any and all situations in whatever way is necessary to disparage the president regardless of what else that entails. In this case it’s the lives of US sailors that are not important to you in the pursuit of your expressly stated goal.
Skiffs and fishing boats vs. high speed armed Iranian crafts simulating attack formations… You don’t feel these are different scenarios?
See if you can’t find the old PONCE laser weapon videos of burning out drones and small boats. Those are fun.
Not really. The craft that successfully attacked COLE wasn’t a military boat. If skiffs and fishing boats are treated differently than military craft an adversary will discover the different treatments and would then plan their attack to that weakness. In other words, the attack would come from what appeared to be a skiff or fishing boat.
The differences would be learned by repeated intrusions of various craft under various conditions at various times catalogued by an adversary until a weakness is discovered.
The federal government has done no meaningful action? This is the kind of shit that gets people labeled as deranged.
Slightly off topic: The most hair raising experience I had in the Persian Gulf was not from Iranian Guards but from civilians in sports fishing boats. Middle of the night, they didn’t come up on radar so we didn’t notice them until they shined spotlights at the bridge. When I went out on deck they dropped the spotlights and picked up AK47s which they pointed at my face. They were about 25’ away at eye level. I was a trigger pull from having my head blown off.
They didn’t look like military in civvies or pros of any kind. Just a bunch of good ol’ boys out for a midnight cruise with AK 47s on top of the bait box. They didn’t speak English and I don’t speak guttural. I headed for the bridge in a hurry and sounded the alarm. My guess is they were private security as we were “surveying” through a field of oil wells. They followed us for a couple of hours and peeled off before daybreak.
I’ll take that as a hard yes. The Navy has everything under control. They don’t need any help. The U.S. does.
As far as deterring Iranian naval harassment, it would appear again the answer is no, unless you can point to something beyond one inaccurate tweet.
How long have we (US Navy, Merchant ships, or Naval Auxiliary vessels) been getting harassed in Hormuz or the immediate vicinity? Personally, I’m not seeing the COLE connection here. Terrible, terrible occurrence however it was Al Qaeda in Yemen. Also there were large failures in the security in that situation and policies and practices have changed to prevent that from happening again. Like other posters have noted, the Saudi’s have funded Al Qaeda forever yet we continue to support that regime and all their human rights abuses. Same with Bahrain. Same with Kuwait. These aren’t free countries. They’ve got massive human rights problems, feel free to go read about them.
Seems like people also forget that we overthrew their (Iran’s) government sometime ago. Would only make sense that they aren’t exactly our biggest fans. It seems like some people fail to recognize that Hormuz and it’s approaches are bordering, and sometimes within Iranian territorial waters (depending on which side of the strait and which part of the law you choose to interpret). If the Iranians chose to bring their ships close to American territorial waters to conduct “freedom of Navigation exercises” or escort their own merchant vessels people would be in a damn uproar here about it. We’re a foreign (adversary) Navy transiting a strait near their borders. The Brits escort Russian warships when they transit the English Channel. The Russians come out and screw with our ships, should we sink those ones as well? Why do we need to sink their ships should they come out and harass us? Which is what? Come down with a 35 foot gun boat with a .1 nm cpa? Do some circles around us? Doesn’t seem out of the ordinary for that transit in my experience. Especially considering what the navy ships transiting carry onboard.
To me, this seems like nothing more than Trump trying to stroke the American Ego and get people distracted about some other bs than his piss poor handling of the pandemic.
Don’t deflect… Leave that to coastal traitor… Here’s what you said:
So after saying that the federal government has done nothing since there’s a photo of a small boat near a Navy boat, and that’s inadequate, Hawse wants to blame shipengr for saying the Fed government hasn’t done anything which is the same thing he said.
It’s a good reminder that in discussion on the government it’s important to draw distinctions between the actual government and Trump actions. The federal government has done a lot to address this. Trump sent a tweet that isn’t going to change what they’re doing and if it does, he should have sent it earlier.
Just a bit earlier:
Status quo = haven’t done anything
You seem confused so let’s recap.
It is my position that the current ROE/regulations/standing orders/etc. that allow armed Iranian fast craft to come as close to our Naval ships as has been depicted in the recent pictures and videos is woefully inadequate. Others chimed in to agree, others to disagree.
Starting with the third post in this thread and followed by many others, Trump and his role in this topic was brought in.
Shipengr said that (I already quoted but you still were confused so I’ll quote again):
Look, at some point this boils down to either not paying attention to the flow of the thread, lack of reading comprehension ability, or intentional attempt to mislead… Which is it?
Ahh, sweet projection…
That’s what I like to see. On point with the minimum number of words. I was saving “projection”, but after somebody said “cockamamie”, I’d been dying to use “whippersnapper”.
Ohh, I’ve got the words. But I don’t see much point in a discussion with someone who doesn’t do the reading or appreciates the situation. First there’s no rules of engagement despite the story mentioning next his story is they’re inadequate? Everything else is his method of trolling.
But yet your entire post is a lot of words with absolutely no value, point, or meaning… Oh the irony.